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  • #61
    Thought I'd post about some of the things that Lawson does really well. He has flaws, but there are some areas of his game that stand out.

    As said, he a run stuffing monster. You can't run many running plays to his side. He eats stretch plays alive. With those long ass arms, he's all world at shedding blockers. At his size, he's still as fast as most running backs. On combo blocks to his inside, he's just as lethal. There isn't a FB in the NFL that can dig him out on an inside run. Most teams gameplan him on the run by going the other way. He's that much of a run stopper.

    In cover, he's damned good. He does have a tendency to drop into cover too quickly, probably bc he's a converted DE. But he's quick and reads pass routes fairly well. With those arms, you'd be insane to throw over the guy. He also can jump like an NBA player. Supposedly at the combine, he outjumped the machine that measures jumping?!?

    If the guy could rush the passer effectively every once in awhile, he's be one of the top paid LB's in the league.

    But he can't.

    At all.

    His edge rush is awful. He's so long and gangly, when he goes wide, even poor tackles just ride him wide, out of the play. He generally has one pass rush move. he makes a weak bull rush, right at the tackle. Every time, over and over again. You'd think he use those arms to swim or rip every so often. But no, weak bull rush after weak bull rush is all he does.

    I'd say sign him if we can.

    I just don't think we can land the guy. Our cap is way too tight. There is NFW 3 mil per year gets this guy. He'll sign at least a couple year deal for 8 mil or more someplace.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by KYPack View Post
      Thought I'd post about some of the things that Lawson does really well. He has flaws, but there are some areas of his game that stand out.

      As said, he a run stuffing monster. You can't run many running plays to his side. He eats stretch plays alive. With those long ass arms, he's all world at shedding blockers. At his size, he's still as fast as most running backs. On combo blocks to his inside, he's just as lethal. There isn't a FB in the NFL that can dig him out on an inside run. Most teams gameplan him on the run by going the other way. He's that much of a run stopper.

      In cover, he's damned good. He does have a tendency to drop into cover too quickly, probably bc he's a converted DE. But he's quick and reads pass routes fairly well. With those arms, you'd be insane to throw over the guy. He also can jump like an NBA player. Supposedly at the combine, he outjumped the machine that measures jumping?!?

      If the guy could rush the passer effectively every once in awhile, he's be one of the top paid LB's in the league.

      But he can't.

      At all.

      His edge rush is awful. He's so long and gangly, when he goes wide, even poor tackles just ride him wide, out of the play. He generally has one pass rush move. he makes a weak bull rush, right at the tackle. Every time, over and over again. You'd think he use those arms to swim or rip every so often. But no, weak bull rush after weak bull rush is all he does.

      I'd say sign him if we can.

      I just don't think we can land the guy. Our cap is way too tight. There is NFW 3 mil per year gets this guy. He'll sign at least a couple year deal for 8 mil or more someplace.
      That is why he is very interesting to me. He would be better than what the Packers had last year in run defense and pass coverage. His weakness in pass rushing is the exact thing that Kevin Greene might be the best at helping him, and might be the area that KG has more expertise in than other coaches Lawson has had. With Lawson's speed and quickness, he doesn't have to be a great technition, just good enough to get an advantage to where his speed takes over, and a variety of moves that are just "OK" might do it for him. After all, he doesn't need to be an All-Pro to improve the position dramatically.

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      • #63
        Agreed; however, my major concern is KY's description of his other weakness: the inability to read his keys and be fooled on reverses and end-arounds. There are too many big plays to be had against a guy like that. Is that worth four mill a year for three years? Probably not. Three mill a year for two years? I'll say yes - until it happens to him on a third and twenty-four that goes for twenty-eight in a playoff game.
        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

        KYPack

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Fritz View Post
          Agreed; however, my major concern is KY's description of his other weakness: the inability to read his keys and be fooled on reverses and end-arounds. There are too many big plays to be had against a guy like that. Is that worth four mill a year for three years? Probably not. Three mill a year for two years? I'll say yes - until it happens to him on a third and twenty-four that goes for twenty-eight in a playoff game.
          The guys we have playing ROLB now have the same weakness (except for Jones maybe) without the other strengths. There are no 3-4 OLBs on the market without a weakness. Might as well upgrade, if the price and years are right.
          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
            Well we're screwed.....you and TT rarely see eye to yet



            DEAR RED,

            I needed all the money to sign Lawson but we're a little strapped because I chose to resign J Bush.


            Sincerely,
            TED THOMPSON

            LOL, good god, i didn't even think of that

            FU TT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Patler View Post
              That is why he is very interesting to me. He would be better than what the Packers had last year in run defense and pass coverage. His weakness in pass rushing is the exact thing that Kevin Greene might be the best at helping him, and might be the area that KG has more expertise in than other coaches Lawson has had. With Lawson's speed and quickness, he doesn't have to be a great technition, just good enough to get an advantage to where his speed takes over, and a variety of moves that are just "OK" might do it for him. After all, he doesn't need to be an All-Pro to improve the position dramatically.
              KGB had 1 move (if you can call that a move) and he was able to put a lot of pressure on QB's because of his speed. he just sucked defending the run

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              • #67
                Well....now that Muir is back we sure as shit wont have the $$$ for Lawson. DAYUM TT!
                C.H.U.D.

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                • #68
                  Maybe Ted will surprise everyone and draft a ROLB in the first or second round of the draft. That'd be a novel move...to draft for immediate need, with the great agreement of most of Packer fandom.

                  Personally, though, I think defensive ends are harder to come by. If TT's going to draft by need (okay, okay, he's not), I'd rather see him go after a DE in the first round.
                  "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                  KYPack

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Freak Out View Post
                    Well....now that Muir is back we sure as shit wont have the $$$ for Lawson. DAYUM TT!
                    Word is that Muir's deal is a low money deal, so I wouldn't worry about this affecting the chances of getting Lawson. Saturday, on the other hand, may have ate into any deal for Lawson.
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                      Word is that Muir's deal is a low money deal, so I wouldn't worry about this affecting the chances of getting Lawson. Saturday, on the other hand, may have ate into any deal for Lawson.
                      I was being facetious in regards to Muir, but your probably correct about the Saturday money. Has the terms been announced?
                      C.H.U.D.

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                      • #71
                        OK, everyone stop changing your avatars!
                        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                          OK, everyone stop changing your avatars!
                          Never!
                          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                          • #73
                            Ha ha!
                            C.H.U.D.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Freak Out View Post
                              Ha ha!
                              I blame Swede, he started all this. For all those years he was Curly Lambeau and I don't even remember what he is now. Joemailman is GBRulz, Rand is me. CHAOS!

                              If the Bikini Girls disappear, its going to be mass hysteria.
                              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                                Never!


                                I can't remember the last time I actually laughed out loud at a post. That was good.
                                No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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