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[sheepshead]

The Packers are overrated - calling Green Bay's defense "suspect" is being kind. It's Aaron Rodgers, a very good receiving corp, average OL, and a completely laughable defense. Rodgers makes them a top 10 team, but after Rodgers and the receiving corp, the rest of the roster is average at best.

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[sharpe1027]

The Bears finished 7 games behind us, but they are now ranked #5 while we sit at #4. Okay. Paper champions.

I couldn't agree more. Preseason, everyone loves the team that signs free agents with big names. Once the regular season rolls around, everyone forgets the preseason hype and reality sets in.

[wist43]

I'd say the Bears are pretty close to the Packers. As a team, the Bears are better across the board... what puts us over the top is Rodgers, Jennings, Finley, and Nelson.

[Tony Oday]

Wist does it cause you physical pain every time Hawk makes a play or the Packers win?

[wist43]

Wist does it cause you physical pain every time Hawk makes a play or the Packers win?

I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying Hawk stunk last year... is that a revelation??

And while it is appropriate to make allowances for the poor defensive numbers by citing our high-powered offense as a contributing factor, it is still nonetheless true that the roster is very average, and the front seven nothing short of woeful. I don't pay as close attention to the NFL as I used to, but I can't imagine any other team has a worse front seven than we do. Our secondary is potentially one of the best in the league, but that front seven is God-awful.

[sharpe1027]

I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying Hawk stunk last year... is that a revelation??

And while it is appropriate to make allowances for the poor defensive numbers by citing our high-powered offense as a contributing factor, it is still nonetheless true that the roster is very average, and the front seven nothing short of woeful. I don't pay as close attention to the NFL as I used to, but I can't imagine any other team has a worse front seven than we do. Our secondary is potentially one of the best in the league, but that front seven is God-awful.

I have to disagree. I feel that if you were to apply the same critical eye to other teams (being equally harsh as you are with the Packers), you would be horrified at how many other team's rosters are below this "average."

Some people over-value their teams players, others are over critical. When a team goes 15-1 and you evaluate their talent as average, which category are you most likely to be in?

[Smidgeon]

I'd say the Bears are pretty close to the Packers. As a team, the Bears are better across the board... what puts us over the top is Rodgers, Jennings, Finley, and Nelson.

Not Matthews or Raji? Do you think the Bears have comparable value or do you think the Packers fanbase overvalues them?

[Pugger]

My point would be - at least the Giants had pass rushers to get healthy... we don't have any, and that's the problem.

Not only do we not have any pass rushers, we all know Ted is just as likely to go WR,OL,RB in the first 3 rounds of the draft as he is to address the front seven.

So the long and short of it is... unless TT recognizes he has a major problem with his front seven, and adjusts his approach this off season accordingly, then we can fully expect another dismal defense in '12.

If TT doesn't address the pass rush he deserves censure. But I'm gonna wait until after the draft and FA first.

[woodbuck27]

If TT doesn't address the pass rush he deserves censure. But I'm gonna wait until after the draft and FA first.

Ted Thompson certainly knows he has to address the pass rush as otherwise his pick of clay matthews is neutralized on the field of play. We need a strong rusher on the opposite side of Clay Matthews and make him more that an almost ZERO.

Sorry No sun glasses or crippled moose look tonight. Just me posting you. Those other fellas... my brothers Minni ,Minney and Mo.

[wist43]

I have to disagree. I feel that if you were to apply the same critical eye to other teams (being equally harsh as you are with the Packers), you would be horrified at how many other team's rosters are below this "average."

Some people over-value their teams players, others are over critical. When a team goes 15-1 and you evaluate their talent as average, which category are you most likely to be in?

An elite QB can carry a team - look at Peyton Manning. With Manning the Colts were a playoff team and SB contender - w/o him, they have the first pick in the draft. The Packers and Patriots are in the same boat as Indy was... completely QB driven, with an overriding emphasis on offense. Defense is the red headed step child.

Without Rodgers?? yes, the Packers are average on offense, and still pathetic on defense.

[Fritz]

Wist, I'm glad to see that success (A Super Bowl followed by a 15-2 season) hasn't changed you.

[Smeefers]

An elite QB can carry a team - look at Peyton Manning. With Manning the Colts were a playoff team and SB contender - w/o him, they have the first pick in the draft. The Packers and Patriots are in the same boat as Indy was... completely QB driven, with an overriding emphasis on offense. Defense is the red headed step child.

Without Rodgers?? yes, the Packers are average on offense, and still pathetic on defense.

There's no telling what record the colts would have had if Payton had played with them. I remember Favre going 4-12 with the Pack and he was an elite QB at the time. Probably the same age too. When Rodgers did sit out a game, the back up QB only had a record setting day. We Have a hand full of spots that are horrible, but we have many many spots that are well above average. Our O-line, wr corps, qb, secondary, st's and d-line are are all either average or above. The only unit I really have a problem with is our LB corps, and that's because we had absolutely no one opposite clay.

[Iron Mike]

A lot of people will judge the Bears to be much higher since they had a very good record until Cutler went down. While it has some merit to me the team seems to be aging.

Have I mentioned the fact that since the 1990s, the Packers' record vs. the Bears is 29-16???

Maybe that's why these idiots don't show up around here anymore....

[wist43]

Not Matthews or Raji? Do you think the Bears have comparable value or do you think the Packers fanbase overvalues them?

I like Raji and Matthews... there is some talent on the defensive side, but Raji and Matthews - and throw Pickett in there... are the only NFL calibur front seven players we have on the roster. The secondary is solid, notwithstanding last year's poor performance. Bottom line is, if you can't pressure the QB, you can't play good defense in the NFL; and the Packers can't pressure the Quarterback.

[Pugger]

There's no telling what record the colts would have had if Payton had played with them. I remember Favre going 4-12 with the Pack and he was an elite QB at the time. Probably the same age too. When Rodgers did sit out a game, the back up QB only had a record setting day. We Have a hand full of spots that are horrible, but we have many many spots that are well above average. Our O-line, wr corps, qb, secondary, st's and d-line are are all either average or above. The only unit I really have a problem with is our LB corps, and that's because we had absolutely no one opposite clay.

I was in complete agreement with you until you said d-line. Our D line is not average. This is one area that we need to address along with ROLB. Pickett and Raji are fine but you need more than 2 decent D linemen these days.