Hargrove is locked up

[wootah]

Peter King tweeted last night when asked who is favorites are for next year in the NFL. He said its too early to say but that Dom Capers will have a heck of a comeback year. For what it's worth.

We're doomed.

[woodbuck27]

Peter King tweeted last night when asked who is favorites are for next year in the NFL. He said its too early to say but that Dom Capers will have a heck of a comeback year. For what it's worth.

Good Day sheepshead .

A Dom Capers comeback DC of the year award?? mmmm A tad unrealistic but we can hope for 'a miracle'. (-:

If TT gives him some more and we get LUCKY with Nick Collins and Charles Woodson doesn't show real decline and Pickett holds up and we don't suffer too much adversity in terms of defensive player serious injury AND now overcome a Peter King PREDICTION ...Yikes !!! Scary !!!:

YOU might be right.

[Rutnstrut]

So much for TT only signing good character "Packer people", Hargrove is as thug as they come. Let's hope he channels his thugness into solid,clean defensive play.

[woodbuck27]

So much for TT only signing good character "Packer people", Hargrove is as thug as they come. Let's hope he channels his thugness into solid,clean defensive play.

Yea you make a point there man. That BS from A. Hargrove and (maybe?) it's just his lips flappin'; but that whole thing came rushin' in on me when I was 'waking up today' to 'the reality' of this signing. I won't go there or 'open' a real can of worms.


OK yea ..right.....Way to go...ahhh ahhh ..... well ........... way. Good grief.

[Guiness]

C'mon. So your case is that part timers Cullen Jenkins, Brandon Chillar and Nick Barnett are the difference between the second best and worst defense in the league?

I'm surprised you put Jenkins in that list. I think his loss was significantly felt. The Pack gambled on Neale to fill the void, and that certainly didn't happen.

Also not sure how you could call Barnett a part timer? He was the most ably replaced of the three, but was a significant part of the defense when here. Do you really feel the team would not have been better with him on it? Don't confuse that with thinking he should not have been traded - it was the right decision, for a couple of reasons, but the loss was still felt.

Not to mention that the team yielded the 19th most points with the league's most explosive offense. So it is hardly the worst defense in football. Only the NFL's PR arm think yardage is the best way to measure the effectiveness of a unit.

How does the number of points yielded relate to the offense's performance? Do you mean because team's playing from behind throw more and score more points? I've never really subscribed to that thought process - it makes them more one-dimensional, and more vulnerable.

[Patler]

You can throw Neal and Pickett into that as well. Wilson, Wynn, Green, Neal and Pickett have played 314 games, and have a combined 17 sacks. with Pickett having 9.5 of them in 162 games. Hargrove has played 102 games, and he has 19.5 sacks.

Patler,

Throw Howard Green Mike Neal in that mix, and every one of our lineman combined (outside of Raji) has less career sacks than Hargrove.

Isn't that what I wrote?

[Guiness]

The real troubling part was that neither Bishop nor Hawk could get outside. Nutz thought the DE getting blasted was hurting them here as someone got a free shot at them

This is where I think Barnett was missed. He was much more of a sideline to sideline player. Nutz could be right though, the breakdowns by the DL might have neutralized him just as well, shedding blocks was never his strong suit.

I'm sure Wist will agree.

[RashanGary]

Isn't that what I wrote?

Aw, shit, I skimmed.

Yeah, Hargrove is definitely an upgrade, and a pretty big one if sacks have anything to do with pass rush.

[Patler]

This is where I think Barnett was missed. He was much more of a sideline to sideline player. Nutz could be right though, the breakdowns by the DL might have neutralized him just as well, shedding blocks was never his strong suit.

I'm sure Wist will agree.

Barnett being gone doesn't explain the drop-off from 2010 to 2011. Barnett only played 4 games in 2010.

[Deputy Nutz]

So Hargrove isn't even going to be a full time starter because of his lack of bulk. Great that you can get a pass rusher on the line, but you need a player that can get after the QB on non-passing downs, like when a team throws out the play book and passes on 1st down, or 2nd and 5.

I am not pissing my pants out of excitement for Packer fans with this pick up, but it was still a signing that TT needed to make, and allows the Packers to go a couple different directions in the draft, but honestly this still doesn't mean that the Packers don'thave needs they need to fill on draft day.

[RashanGary]

So Hargrove isn't even going to be a full time starter because of his lack of bulk. Great that you can get a pass rusher on the line, but you need a player that can get after the QB on non-passing downs, like when a team throws out the play book and passes on 1st down, or 2nd and 5.

I am not pissing my pants out of excitement for Packer fans with this pick up, but it was still a signing that TT needed to make, and allows the Packers to go a couple different directions in the draft, but honestly this still doesn't mean that the Packers don'thave needs they need to fill on draft day.

I'm not a big stat digger, but my recollection is the Packers were atrocious on 3rd down last year. This certainly helps us get off the field on 3rd down. That could be a pretty big help in itself.

Certainly, it's not like adding a probowl caliber 5-tech, but it if you were to compare it to another situational position (say, 3rd CB) it would be like replacing Jarrett Bush (assuming he was your number 3, and we know what that looks like when he is) with a solid veteran nickle back.

I haven't seen one person here jumping with joy, but the general consensus seems that we replaced a glaring (nickle) hole with a player who belongs on the field.

Get off the field one more time in the Giants game, and we might be talking 3-pete right now. The Packers are close and this brings us closer.

[Patler]

So Hargrove isn't even going to be a full time starter because of his lack of bulk. Great that you can get a pass rusher on the line, but you need a player that can get after the QB on non-passing downs, like when a team throws out the play book and passes on 1st down, or 2nd and 5.

I am not pissing my pants out of excitement for Packer fans with this pick up, but it was still a signing that TT needed to make, and allows the Packers to go a couple different directions in the draft, but honestly this still doesn't mean that the Packers don'thave needs they need to fill on draft day.

Hargrove claims he actually plays at about 290, not the 272 or whatever it is that the NFL lists him at.

There was no way that the Packers were going to sign a be-all, end-all remedy to their pass rush problems of last year, but incremental improvements can make a lot of difference. Tollefson is supposed to be in GB right now. If they can sign him as well, Hargrove + Tollefson is a heck of a lot better than Wison and Wynn for pass-rush effectiveness. Add one potential pickup at OLB in the early rounds of the draft, and the cumulative upgrade can be significant.

MM has said that he has talked to Capers about the need to play more 3-4 than the exotic nickel and dime variations they have used recently. Hargrove-Raji-Tollefson in passing situations would be a big step up from Wynn-Raji-Wilson.

Muir is kind of a wild card, too. I'm not sure he will even make the final roster in GB, but for a couple years he was an effective player for the Colts. Not sure what happened last year. Maybe he was a brief flash in the pan as a player. But there is the possibility of him being an upgrade from Green. He could add further to the cumulative effect.

It would be nice to add another stud pass rusher. But it might be just as effective putting three on the field who are at least a couple steps up from the ones they used last year.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Hargrove claims he actually plays at about 290, not the 272 or whatever it is that the NFL lists him at.

There was no way that the Packers were going to sign a be-all, end-all remedy to their pass rush problems of last year, but incremental improvements can make a lot of difference. Tollefson is supposed to be in GB right now. If they can sign him as well, Hargrove + Tollefson is a heck of a lot better than Wison and Wynn for pass-rush effectiveness. Add one potential pickup at OLB in the early rounds of the draft, and the cumulative upgrade can be significant.

MM has said that he has talked to Capers about the need to play more 3-4 than the exotic nickel and dime variations they have used recently. Hargrove-Raji-Tollefson in passing situations would be a big step up from Wynn-Raji-Wilson.

Muir is kind of a wild card, too. I'm not sure he will even make the final roster in GB, but for a couple years he was an effective player for the Colts. Not sure what happened last year. Maybe he was a brief flash in the pan as a player. But there is the possibility of him being an upgrade from Green. He could add further to the cumulative effect.

It would be nice to add another stud pass rusher. But it might be just as effective putting three on the field who are at least a couple steps up from the ones they used last year.

Excellent points. Hell, it's not like the pass rush could be any worse than last year. The Pack get some players that can get them 10-12 more sacks than last year's crew and some more hurries and pressures and they'll be back to 2010 form.

[sheepshead]

Good Day sheepshead .

A Dom Capers comeback DC of the year award?? mmmm A tad unrealistic but we can hope for 'a miracle'. (-:

If TT gives him some more and we get LUCKY with Nick Collins and Charles Woodson doesn't show real decline and Pickett holds up and we don't suffer too much adversity in terms of defensive player serious injury AND now overcome a Peter King PREDICTION ...Yikes !!! Scary !!!:

YOU might be right.

Hells Bells he cant get any worse can he?

[sharpe1027]

I am not pissing my pants out of excitement for Packer fans with this pick up, but it was still a signing that TT needed to make, and allows the Packers to go a couple different directions in the draft, but honestly this still doesn't mean that the Packers don'thave needs they need to fill on draft day.

Yep. I think most people would agree with this.