Hargrove is locked up

[Fritz]

"Notice the best of the posters (Bretsky, Harv and Patler)..."

Ahem. Cough, cough. And? And?

[Joemailman]

"Notice the best of the posters (Bretsky, Harv and Patler)..."

Ahem. Cough, cough. And? And?

I guess we're the 99%.

[Fritz]

Let's occupy something. Like maybe the sick corners of Madtown's mind.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, you can't use the pictures either. They're copyrighted and belong to Getty Images. You have to pay to use them.

Noted and revised ... Thank You.

[LP]

Let's occupy something. Like maybe the sick corners of Madtown's mind.

Wow, you really like living on the edge don't you.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, even when you have a point you get distracted. Rutnstrut is an insult poster who only pops up to deliver an easy insult and casual racism (Finley drops passes and will now be a malingerer! He's black after all, we all know they are lazy once they get paid!) and, presumably, watch the carnage. He is effective enough that he almost seems like a plant from the forum to guarantee an additional 10 posts on any thread just to denounce him. You and Brandon should look at his history of posts and see what kind of quality information and thinking he brings to the table. He should be on everyone's ignore list. In my mind, he is the definition of a troll.

Notice the best of the posters (Bretsky, Harv and Patler) didn't even blink at him. He might be on their ignore list or they simply exercised some self control.

Coffman 1983 and Finley 2011 (or 2009 with a playoff game) is a great debate and I wish more had been written about it than about rutnstrut. But if you wish to be the best you can be and contribute the most to the forum, you cannot express an opinion (even backed with stats) and declare an opinion as fact. Stats are facts, they do not solely act to prove another fact, especially as an answer to a question as nebulous as best ever.

smuggler posted that Pro Football Reference ranks Finley's '11 season higher than Coffman's '83 (AV 12 versus 10). A good question is why would that be? As woodbuck states, a superficial glance at the stat line makes Coffman's season look pretty amazing.

And since Brandon posted that he had the best season ever, its irrelevant whether the Packers have had better TEs over their career.

1) I didn't get distracted.

I offered Brandon494 decent advice. I did so mannerly and unobtrusively. To be honest I didn't see Rutnstrut's original post that Brandon494 replied to pbmax.

2) I'm ignorant in terms of Brandon494's response RE: The quality of Rutnstruts posts. I certainly didn't agree with the integrity of Rutnstrut post in terms of predicting an injury for JF now that he's locked up. So I don't even rebut him. I've only noted that this poster is new here in terms of his number of posts. I do not want new posters scared away 'unnecessarily' and I admit in this case I may have got that wrong.

3) My post didn't judge either poster involved Brandon494 or Rutnstrut.

4) My post to Brandon494 didn't attack or defend either poster. I have no opinion on either poster. I'm certainly not in the position you are to make judgements on the quality, agendas or integrity of posters. I have noted your opinion that Rutnstrut may 'in fact ' be a TROLL, pbmax.

5) All of the above took about 6 lines of script. RE: Did JF have the best season of any Packer TE in history which I covered in 16 lines of script. That portion of the post was focused and well presented and at least arguably accurate in terms of my position.

I disagree that my caution to Brandon494...my concern and decent advice was the Lions share of that post. It wasn't.

Why not just PM me that Rutnstrut is in your view 'a TROLL'.

6) If I'm correct or not in your opinion or judgement is all your own pbmax. I made a post and that post was properly supported. That post was written respectfully.

7) Again I have taken note of your suspicions RE: Rutnstrut.

I mean no offense...take no offense. (-:

Have a nice afternoon pbmax.

[Fritz]

You are one strange ranger, Woodrow.

[Bretsky]

No, it's not wrong at all. I'm just acting like a fan. I was unhappy when Ron Wolf chose Chad Clifton in the second round, because that at the time was not an area of immediate need. I was also unhappy that Ted gave up a second and what, two thirds? - to move up for Clay Matthews. So I don't know very much. But like many fans, I see glaring needs and am thinking short term. I'd love to see a big, quick, mature rookie ROLB step in like Matthews did, and I'd like to see a hulking, smart, quick rookie DE step right in and "fix" things. But if TT drafts a center, or drafts a running back, I'll bite my lip and remember my avatar.

Now we all love Clay Matthews and we are all happy TT made that trade.

With that being said, I think there was a OLB there in round two that many of us really liked who we likely would have drafted.

Quiz...anybody recall who that is ?

[Bretsky]

That is true.

I don't think anybody is labbeling him a bust; but there are concerns. There were other OL who played pretty well James Carpenter/Badger Stud/ drafted in that range who looked pretty good w/o the camp as well.

[Bretsky]

I remember Bulaga struggling for his first handful of starts. He didn't come in and light the world on fire. I remember having some concern that the scouts who said his arms were too short might be right.

I never had much concern with Bulaga after watching a couple games; at worst it appeared he wold be a very solid guard

[Smidgeon]

I really think people are overreacting to Sherrod's rookie year. I thought he looked pretty good at RT there before he got hurt. They'll coach 'em up.

Now if TT can draft a center to develop in the next two years, and if Ray Dominguez and Sampson Genus develop in the off-season and in training camp, then things will be looking good.

What happens now that Campen doesn't have Philbin to back him up?

[woodbuck27]

You are one strange ranger, Woodrow.

ranger? Canadian Ranger?...Ranger in Wildlife and Waterfoul Law? ...Ranger in the Canadian Military Forces?


It's sometimes the most difficult thing to define TRUTH without consideration for ignorance.

Is ignorance universal and the same as stupidity?

TRUTH is often clouded because human ignorance is based in prejudice and subjective stances.

Can we say that ignorance dictates stupidity? A difficult question.

It's my experience that:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I´m not so sure about the universe."

[RashanGary]

How many truths really matter much?

In absence of joy, contentment or the other warm fuzzy motivators of the world, I suppose the truth might be a prime motivator.

Ignorance, stupidity. . . . . I don't know that those words mean much at all. Most truths are worthless anyway. The few that matter are the impossible ones to answer. If we were to place value on only the truths that matter, we're all ignorant.

I don't have a whole lot of disagreement that people are stupid. It's one of the things we all share.

Welcome to humanity.

A lot of people know a lot of stupid truths, but in the end, what do they matter? Does your stupid view of the Packers change your life much? I doubt it. If someone here is wrong or right, does it change theirs much. If they think it does, sadly, they're probably in a good bit of misery.

[MJZiggy]

How many truths really matter much?

In absence of joy, contentment or the other warm fuzzy motivators of the world, I suppose the truth might be a prime motivator.

Ignorance, stupidity. . . . . I don't know that those words mean much at all. Most truths are worthless anyway. The few that matter are the impossible ones to answer. If we were to place value on only the truths that matter, we're all ignorant.

I don't have a whole lot of disagreement that people are stupid. It's one of the things we all share.

Welcome to humanity.

Since we're all ignorant anyway, and therefor stupid, we might as well enjoy our stupid lives.

So what you're saying is that since none of it matters, I should just drink more to justify my own stupidity. So noted.

[woodbuck27]

Now we all love Clay Matthews and we are all happy TT made that trade.

With that being said, I think there was a OLB there in round two that many of us really liked who we likely would have drafted.

Quiz...anybody recall who that is ?

How about the St. Louis RAMS LB James Laurinaitis? He's no slouch.