Hargrove is locked up

[RashanGary]

So what you're saying is that since none of it matters, I should just drink more to justify my own stupidity. So noted.

I think what I was saying was, "who cares if we're stupid, stupid "


congrats on your pro-pickem championship!

[RashanGary]

So what you're saying is that since none of it matters, I should just drink more to justify my own stupidity. So noted.

Drinking more would neither confirm or deny your stupidity. You're born stupid at the core

[woodbuck27]

How many truths really matter much?

In absence of joy, contentment or the other warm fuzzy motivators of the world, I suppose the truth might be a prime motivator.

Ignorance, stupidity. . . . . I don't know that those words mean much at all. Most truths are worthless anyway. The few that matter are the impossible ones to answer. If we were to place value on only the truths that matter, we're all ignorant.

I don't have a whole lot of disagreement that people are stupid. It's one of the things we all share.

Welcome to humanity.

A lot of people know a lot of stupid truths, but in the end, what do they matter? Does your stupid view of the Packers change your life much? I doubt it. If someone here is wrong or right, does it change theirs much. If they think it does, sadly, they're probably in a good bit of misery.

"Does your stupid view of the Packers change your life much? " JH

I respectfully submit that my view as a Packer fan cannot be stupid. I simply want my team to return to the Super Bowl and win another championship ASAP.

Should that positive hope paint me as stupid? I hardly think so. Therefore your question is moot or irrelevant. (-:

[Fritz]

What happens now that Campen doesn't have Philbin to back him up?

Uh...he'll turn to Shawn Slocum for help?

[Bretsky]

How about the St. Louis RAMS LB James Laurinaitis? He's no slouch.

good call, but not the one.

A lot of the Rats really liked Conner Barwin, who would have been available when TT picked in round two (the pick he traded away to the Texans)

Conner Barwin is also an OLB ...for the Texans......and made his 1st Pro Bowl this year

[Bretsky]

Uh...he'll turn to Shawn Slocum for help?

I think I stand alone in still thinking Campen is a decent OL coach; look at the players he has and how they have developed.

[woodbuck27]

good call, but not the one.

A lot of the Rats really liked Conner Barwin, who would have been available when TT picked in round two (the pick he traded away to the Texans)

Conner Barwin is also an OLB ...for the Texans......and made his 1st Pro Bowl this year

Yes my guess LB James Laurinaitis went at #35 (second round) and was listed as ILB. He made the All Rookie Team. Last season he had 142 Tackles and 3 SACKS ; 7 pass defensed and 2 Picks.

Connor Barwin (Cincinnati) went in the 2nd round (2009) at Pick #46 as a DE to The Houston TEXANS.

Connor Barwin #98 DE

Houston Texans | Official Team Site

Height: 6-4 Weight: 264 Age: 25
Born: 10/15/1986 Southfield , MI
College: Cincinnati
Experience: 3rd season
High School: University of Detroit HS [MI]



2011 Stat's:

TCKL47; SACK's 11.5; FF1; INT 0.

[pbmax]

"Notice the best of the posters (Bretsky, Harv and Patler)..."

Ahem. Cough, cough. And? And?

Zig, Sharpe, guin and Swede?

[pbmax]

1) I didn't get distracted.


Why not just PM me that Rutnstrut is in your view 'a TROLL'.

6) If I'm correct or not in your opinion or judgement is all your own pbmax. I made a post and that post was properly supported. That post was written respectfully.

7) Again I have taken note of your suspicions RE: Rutnstrut.

I mean no offense...take no offense. (-:

Have a nice afternoon pbmax.

Fair point. I could have PM'd you my opinion of the poster in question. But I would really like to know why Approximate Value (which is the proper name of AV, not Average Value) values Finley's year over Coffman's. And I do not care who had the better career at this point since Finley is both young and is now playing for a monster contract in 2 years. That will be a more interesting conversation in 2 years.

That, plus I read your post as a corrective of Brandon's contention, meaning, it was also aimed in part at rutnstrut. In my opinion, he deserves only the attention his insult posts provide and no more.

[Upnorth]

So what you're saying is that since none of it matters, I should just drink more to justify my own stupidity. So noted.

Your still dating the bears fan?

[Upnorth]

Let's occupy something. Like maybe the sick corners of Madtown's mind.

I thought that was were harlan lived.

[MJZiggy]

Your still dating the bears fan?

No, I'm perfectly single these days.

[Upnorth]

I love how a Hargrove thread turned into a Oline choaching thread at one point. We are truely distracted by the shiny pennies around us aren't we?

To that end, I have to agree with Bretsky that Campden has done a very good good with the tools he has been given. Now that he is getting first round talent our line is looking amazing. If he can get them to over come the loss of Wells I will be truely amazed. Those who are labelling Sherrod a bust, get your heads outta your butts!!! Dude had a 30 day offseason to learn his assignments in a complicated scheme, then went down with injury. He flashed potential at times, lets wait two years to call him a bust or not. How many quality players have poor first years? Most, and the steallar rookie year is the exception. Anyone remember how brutal ARod was in his first preseason?

[Joemailman]

I think I stand alone in still thinking Campen is a decent OL coach; look at the players he has and how they have developed.

Actually, you're not alone. Early on, he got a bad rap for failing to "develop" buys like Allan Barbre, Tony Moll and Breno Giacomini. Fact is, those guys just weren't very good.

He deserves a lot of credit for the play of the OL last year with a revolving door at both OT positions.

[Patler]

I think I stand alone in still thinking Campen is a decent OL coach; look at the players he has and how they have developed.

Actually, you're not alone. Early on, he got a bad rap for failing to "develop" buys like Allan Barbre, Tony Moll and Breno Giacomini. Fact is, those guys just weren't very good.

He deserves a lot of credit for the play of the OL last year with a revolving door at both OT positions.

Ya, possibly. But a few years ago, when Campen was under a lot of criticism because Colledge, Spitz, Coston, Moll, Barbre, Giacomini, etc. seemed to be in stalls regarding their development, MM was asked point blank if Campen might be replaced. MM's response was that Campen himself was developing as a coach, and they had to give him the help he needed to achieve what they wanted. To do that, MM said he had asked Philbin to become more directly involved with the O-line because Philbin was so experienced coaching O-lines. So I have to ask, did Campen find his groove, or did the involvement of Philbin improve the results?

I have always felt that Campen was rushed into the top spot coaching O-line. Maybe the coaching talent is there, and a little more guidance from Phibin the past couple years completed his seasoning as a coach. I guess we might know soon enough, because Campen will be on his own starting this fall, with no one else on staff with prior O-line coaching experience.