Wonderlic Score ... 'a new record score' ... A FOUR ... A what !?... A Four !! ... What !!?

[Guiness]

I just read that Patrick Peterson, last year's first CB pick, scored a 9.

They always saw a good CB has no memory, maybe this is what they mean???

I've seen reports that this won't hurt his draft stock. Maybe his on-field performance speaks for itself, but you have to think there is some sort of a minimum threshold? Good post re: the learning disability Yooper. I can't believe the NFL wouldn't make some sort of an accommodation for him...if the problem really is reading, could he not take it orally?

[sheepshead]

Cool sheepshead and I DO NOT WANT TO OPEN A CAN of WORMS on this matter.

From my view of that Favre matter and the Packers (TT and MM). It seems clear to me that not even Brett Favre knew where he stood with the Green Bay Packers. How could Bus Cook have better information?

Re: What I believe and have believed for some time.....Please, go to Favre's Website and read the Article by a Wisconsin writer. This writer clearly supports the assertion I've always made based entirely in my analysis. Favre was set up. they used him against himself to make a change at starting QB and that decision by (TT and MM) was fine by me but they should have been totaly upfront on that decision with Brett Favre. I am talking the STARTING QB position with 'the Packers'. Not as any possible backup at QB.

On the subject of Lawyers. In Canada these people have bad Rep's. and 'in fact' last time I read are ranked at the bottom of all professions RE: integrity and Honesty or as a respected profession. I mean 'no insult' to any members here that are lawyers. I'm sure you do your best. (-:

sheepshead..should you TRUST your lawyer rather than just use your good sense?

wtf, we all knew exactly where TT stood on this matter. They laid it out to him every year. again, i dont want to start a favre thread. The guys a bad lawyer. I wouldnt hire him for anything. thats my point. a good agent would never have let that circus unfold.

[SkinBasket]

He has a learning disability.

Yeah. And 1 in 88 kids has autism spectrum disorder. We're all retarded now. Some are just dumber than others.

[Pugger]

Aren't these scores supposed to be confidential?? The kid has a learning disability but that doesn't make him a moron. The real crime here is his score was leaked. It's getting so anyone who is in the public eye has be fearful of any skeletons in one's closet because everything about you can become public knowledge. Maybe this will cause him to drop to #28....

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Morris-Claiborne-NFL-draft-LSU-Wonderlic-score-040312

[Pugger]

here is a sample of the wonderlic test.

http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

I stink at math so I did poorly in the sample.

[Kiwon]

It's not right that the guy's score was leaked.

But what the heck does that say about the academics at LSU? Did the guy learn anything during his time there?

Tennesee is building a $45 million football complex and practice facility. $45 million? What's the graduation rate among football players at UT? Talk about the tail wagging the dog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw4OdUaVmEA

[woodbuck27]

I stink at math so I did poorly in the sample.

Most of us do not live in a constant learning environment where our brains are being exercised and more efficient. I recall how much better I was able to exercise the cognitive skills in that environment compared to being away from it for even 6 months time. The brain needs constant exercise to serve us best. Even that isn't the end all ... be all.

I've been a Math teacher and minored in Math doing a BEd @ UNB. The test is fair.

If you don't know Algebra you could miss a couple of questions and there's one tricky question @ No.11 that takes some thought for 'the BEST' response. If your capascity to take any test is good and your brain is being exercised in a University environment. There's no reason NOT to score 100%.

The issue with this story is IMO unfolding as.

a) Why did Morris Claibornes score get released? It should NOT have IMO.

b) Is that fact moot given that Morris Claiborn has been diagnosed with a 'Learning Disability.

c) With a low...V. low Wonderlic score. Does that fact impact on his ability to be a shutdown cornerback? Those scouting him must have become aware of any learning disability or maybe didn't consider such in observing his skills as a cornerback.

d) Will this leak impact Morris Claiborne's draft status?

e) In the future should this story impact college player and agent relationships in terms of an agents need to really known his client and any potential issue RE: the Wonderlic? RE: any interview with NFL brass; NFL scouts etc.?

[sheepshead]

There is every reason for the NFL to require these tests and more. There's a lot of money at stake. There is NO reason to leak these scores. The league needs to clamp down on this.

[woodbuck27]

There is every reason for the NFL to require these tests and more. There's a lot of money at stake. There is NO reason to leak these scores. The league needs to clamp down on this.

We agree on this.

[pbmax]

Its going to be very hard to clamp down on it when every team and every personnel employee has a copy. Someone would need to do something egregious, like Reply To All to be caught offering up this tidbit.

[pbmax]

If he truly has a disability and Cook did not take advantage of this, I would be warming up a lawsuit:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/04/combine-president-says-an-accommodation-i-available-for-the-wonderlic/

[Pugger]

Most of us do not live in a constant learning environment where our brains are being exercised and more efficient. I recall how much better I was able to exercise the cognitive skills in that environment compared to being away from it for even 6 months time. The brain needs constant exercise to serve us best. Even that isn't the end all ... be all.

I've been a Math teacher and minored in Math doing a BEd @ UNB. The test is fair.

If you don't know Algebra you could miss a couple of questions and there's one tricky question @ No.11 that takes some thought for 'the BEST' response. If your capascity to take any test is good and your brain is being exercised in a University environment. There's no reason NOT to score 100%.

The issue with this story is IMO unfolding as.

a) Why did Morris Claibornes score get released? It should NOT have IMO.

b) Is that fact moot given that Morris Claiborn has been diagnosed with a 'Learning Disability.

c) With a low...V. low Wonderlic score. Does that fact impact on his ability to be a shutdown cornerback? Those scouting him must have become aware of any learning disability or maybe didn't consider such in observing his skills as a cornerback.

d) Will this leak impact Morris Claiborne's draft status?

e) In the future should this story impact college player and agent relationships in terms of an agents need to really known his client and any potential issue RE: the Wonderlic? RE: any interview with NFL brass; NFL scouts etc.?

I really struggled with Algebra back in the day.

[Patler]

For years, articles on the Packer draft picks would routinely state their Wonderlic score, or would state "not available", as an excuse for not publishing it. You don't have to go back too many years to find lists published of the Wonderlic scores for everyone at the Combine, right along side their times in the 40 and their bench press reps.

It's only the last few years that this has become taboo. People aren't going to change overnight. Scouts, GMs and other staff with access routinely talked about it for years, and slips will occur, particularly for a player who has a "notable" result.

[woodbuck27]

For years, articles on the Packer draft picks would routinely state their Wonderlic score, or would state "not available", as an excuse for not publishing it. You don't have to go back too many years to find lists published of the Wonderlic scores for everyone at the Combine, right along side their times in the 40 and their bench press reps.

It's only the last few years that this has become taboo. People aren't going to change overnight. Scouts, GMs and other staff with access routinely talked about it for years, and slips will occur, particularly for a player who has a "notable" result.

Good point Patler. Change does take time.

Tradition trumps change.

Wonderlic or NOT Morris Claiborne is rated as the TOP defensive player in this years draft.

In an NFL that has gone pass happy and where emphasis has been placed on having a top caliber offense. Where the term 'Franchise QB ' is moot without a solid LT.

I'm reading that the Minnesota Vikings (and their pass defense woes) might be advised to give Morris Claiborne a solid look. I believe that the Vikings will serve their QB of the future Christian Ponder and draft at LT; yet for the mere suggestion that the Vikings might reconsider and draft Morris Claiborne. Speaks mountains for Morris Claiborne and his skill set ...his talent.

[woodbuck27]

If he truly has a disability and Cook did not take advantage of this, I would be warming up a lawsuit:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...the-wonderlic/

It's certainly covered in this article.Thanks.

Bus Cook would have had to ask this question of Morris Claiborne. Do you have a learning disability?

Morris Claiborne would have had to respond...YES.

Then and in that case... it was incumbent on Bus Cook to seek the best accomodation available to Morris Claiborne.



Question pbmax... Any matter of a lawsuit and relevency would be determined in investigation of the above wouldn't it?