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    Two DE's that are NOT one-dimensional!!

    Jared Crick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVL0fLDdT0
    Derek Wolfe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsmdwFcPyg


    Wolfe looks a little more prototypical. . . . Absolutely can't believe he's being looked at as a 4th round pick. Looks like a 1st or 2nd to me. I'm going off production numbers, athletic ability and watching them on youtube. . .

    If a guy doesn't get sacks in college, I disregard them
    If he passes that, and he's not very athletic, I disregard them
    If he passes both of those, I watch youtube. I've watched enough now, I know a slug when I see one. These two are tough in the trenches and when they disengage, they close. QB's don't get away from these two.

    I'll bet both of these guys get drafted higher than the draft sites have them going.

    If a guy produces like a beast, is as athletic as a beast and looks like a beast when he plays. . . . He's probably a beast.
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    JH...you were spot on with some of your draft predictions last year; I hope you hang around more in here and add some Jame Carpenter like sleepers
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    • #3
      If you're talking about day 2 or later guys, absolutely Wole or Crick fit the bill.

      But if you're looking for day 1 DEs that aren't one dimensional, those aren't the guys I'd name. I'd rather have Cox, Still, Brockers, Worthy, or Reyes than any of them. None of those guys are one dimensional either.

      After those 7, your best bet for a 5-tech that can do it all is probably Akiem Hicks on day 3. He's raw (played in Canada), but he's got great tools.
      Last edited by Lurker64; 04-06-2012, 07:40 PM.
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      • #4
        Just browsed at Gil Brandt's top 100 and Crick is 71
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
          Just browsed at Gil Brandt's top 100 and Crick is 71
          That's about right. He's a top of the third round talent, but he fits the slot at #59 if there's no better value.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
            Just browsed at Gil Brandt's top 100 and Crick is 71
            He has McLellin at 41 which is almost exactly where Brooks Reed was taken last year. Kendall Reyes is at 36. It's all coming together if TT can trade down and then up in the 2nd.

            Also noticed that Brandt has Kirk Cousins and Brock Osweiler at 34-35. TT might find a trading partner if some team wants to trade up to make sure they get one of those guys.
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            • #7
              PFW has Crick with a fourth round grade (4C) at DE and Wolfe with a 3rd round grade (3A) at DT.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
                Jared Crick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVL0fLDdT0
                Derek Wolfe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsmdwFcPyg


                Wolfe looks a little more prototypical. . . . Absolutely can't believe he's being looked at as a 4th round pick. Looks like a 1st or 2nd to me. I'm going off production numbers, athletic ability and watching them on youtube. . .

                If a guy doesn't get sacks in college, I disregard them
                If he passes that, and he's not very athletic, I disregard them
                If he passes both of those, I watch youtube. I've watched enough now, I know a slug when I see one. These two are tough in the trenches and when they disengage, they close. QB's don't get away from these two.

                I'll bet both of these guys get drafted higher than the draft sites have them going.

                If a guy produces like a beast, is as athletic as a beast and looks like a beast when he plays. . . . He's probably a beast.
                I like Wolfe as well. Hope he is there for us at the end of the third at pick #90.

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                • #9
                  The whole "I don't look at people who don't get stats" argument is ridiculous, since that puts a huge onus on what sort of scheme and position a guy played in college, rather than the scheme and position a guy will play in the NFL. I mean, if a guy is asked to read two gaps, he's going to have fewer sacks and TFLs than a guy who's just told to get up field.

                  I mean, our leading pass rusher got more sacks in his rookie year than he did in four years at USC (Clay Matthews had 5 sacks in his entire college career.)

                  If you're going to look at numbers sacks, tackles, etc. are not the numbers you want to look at. I mean, Jarius Wynn only had 4 fewer sacks last year than Cullen Jenkins had in 2010, which is not indicative of the dropoff at that position.
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                  • #10
                    You got it, Lurk.

                    In Capers 3-4, the ends one gap, but they play like tackles. The RDE we get in '12 has got to be stout. 80% of your pass rush comes from the OLB's, not the DE's in Capers scheme.

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                    • #11
                      Well, are Crick and Wolfe "stout"? Do they fit the bill for a DE in the 3-4?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                        The whole "I don't look at people who don't get stats" argument is ridiculous, since that puts a huge onus on what sort of scheme and position a guy played in college, rather than the scheme and position a guy will play in the NFL. I mean, if a guy is asked to read two gaps, he's going to have fewer sacks and TFLs than a guy who's just told to get up field.

                        I mean, our leading pass rusher got more sacks in his rookie year than he did in four years at USC (Clay Matthews had 5 sacks in his entire college career.)

                        If you're going to look at numbers sacks, tackles, etc. are not the numbers you want to look at. I mean, Jarius Wynn only had 4 fewer sacks last year than Cullen Jenkins had in 2010, which is not indicative of the dropoff at that position.
                        Often QB pressures can be just as valuable as a sack.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                          Well, are Crick and Wolfe "stout"? Do they fit the bill for a DE in the 3-4?
                          The fellow that seems 'all the rage' on this forum now. This fella (look below) is IMO, STOUT.

                          It's looking to me that TT would be smart to trade down from pick #28 and then trade up from Pick #59. I want QUALITY over quantity.

                          The draft is solid this season and players ranked in the TOP 50 are good prospects. I believe we need the best talented defensive platers that Ted thompson can secure. I want TT to certainly go 'D' with his first two picks. I see the TOP 15 or so every day on NFL Network. To gleen and salivate over the rest I need to watch video on Youtube or use some other service to get any reasonable sense for a certain college player.

                          I believe TT will have an outstanding draft if he gets some cooperation.

                          I do like this young man:

                          Shea McClellin Boise State DE Superman ! 5:00 Video

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                            Well, are Crick and Wolfe "stout"? Do they fit the bill for a DE in the 3-4?
                            Wolfe would seem to be stouter than Crick. Wolfe is 6'5" 295and 33 1/4" arms, Crick is 6'4" 279 and 32" arms. If you were to hire Victor Frankenstein to build you a 3-4 DE, the resulting project would spec like Wolfe. Well, more like Wolfe than Crick.

                            You can see in Justin's videos whether that translates on the field or not.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                              The fellow that seems 'all the rage' on this forum now. This fella (look below) is IMO, STOUT.


                              http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...012&genpos=OLB
                              He may be stout but he is also going to play OLB for the Packers if he gets drafted, not DE.
                              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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