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Packers select USC DE/OLB Nick Perry At Pick #28 Round One 2012 Draft

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  • #61
    Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post
    Perry has as much upside as anyone in this draft and fits very much in with Ted's style of drafting defense.

    On the defensive side of the ball Ted is secretly pretty much the same as Al Davis. Since Ted came to town we have been drafting elite athletes to sprinkle all over our defense. Ted is fine with taking a raw talent with top measurables and throwing them into the fire. This was the case with Collins, Shields, Matthews, and Raji. I won't count Hawk or Burnett because they were relatively pro-ready. Perry is going to fit into that category of a player we are willing to take some lumps with while he figures out the little things.

    My issue with Perry is that he put up 35 reps on the bench press. Watching him play you'd never have thought he could do that. You'd think he would be a guy who could not just go around you but also set you up with leverage which is not something he really ever does. From day 1 that speed rush is going to do well for us but he needs to round out the rest of his game if he's going to be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL. Having Greene and Clay around should certainly help. I'm very excited for Perry's future with us. Tons of untapped potential.
    When I first read this post I but down my blackberry and thought about it for awhile. Your analysis of TT as the defensive version of Al Davis is quite accurate, lots of raw athleticism as displayed by his baseline for drafting lbs and the three cone drill for example. This was some of the best analysis of TT's style I have read, and really explains the Justin Harrell risk. Well done well done!
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Upnorth View Post
      When I first read this post I but down my blackberry and thought about it for awhile. Your analysis of TT as the defensive version of Al Davis is quite accurate, lots of raw athleticism as displayed by his baseline for drafting lbs and the three cone drill for example. This was some of the best analysis of TT's style I have read, and really explains the Justin Harrell risk. Well done well done!
      Ted is actually in the Al Davis GMing tree already. Ron Wolf learned the personnel game from Davis, and TT learned the personnel game from Ron Wolf.

      It's sort of a modified Davis approach, since TT's formula is basically "HWS+high character/leadership and throw out guys without actual football ability (for the most part, we all remember Mike Hawkins and Aaron Rouse.)"

      It's not just on defense either. Ted drafts people who are unusually athletic at every position. He does not draft people who are short, slow, or small at any position.

      Before anybody thinks this is a knock on or weakness of TT, you have to keep in mind that before he got old and crazy and stopped scouting well, Al Davis was quite probably the greatest GM going.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
        Ted is actually in the Al Davis GMing tree already. Ron Wolf learned the personnel game from Davis, and TT learned the personnel game from Ron Wolf.

        It's sort of a modified Davis approach, since TT's formula is basically "HWS+high character/leadership and throw out guys without actual football ability (for the most part, we all remember Mike Hawkins and Aaron Rouse.)"

        It's not just on defense either. Ted drafts people who are unusually athletic at every position. He does not draft people who are short, slow, or small at any position.

        Before anybody thinks this is a knock on or weakness of TT, you have to keep in mind that before he got old and crazy and stopped scouting well, Al Davis was quite probably the greatest GM going.
        Does this mean TT will still be the acting GM years after he has passed away?

        Last edited by Bossman641; 04-27-2012, 04:19 PM.
        Go PACK

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Bossman641 View Post
          Does this mean TT will still be the acting GM years after he has passed away?

          http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2i6rtCYMKQ...0/davis-zombie
          I think he wants to retire before he achieves lichdom.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
            You're welcome:



            Before Mad comes after me, this is from a printed source, not a website.


            He won't come after you unless you left your bike unlocked, or something.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
              He won't come after you unless you left your bike unlocked, or something.
              I think he'd be pretty unhappy if I stole his burrito too.

              Who wouldn't be though? Burritos are awesome
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
                He won't come after you unless you left your bike unlocked, or something.
                It is the "or something" that really worries me.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                  It is the "or something" that really worries me.


                  Why?

                  Is your grill is not securely attached to your patio?

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                  • #69
                    Kalil was on KFAN today and was raving about Nick Perry's skills and athletesism.
                    Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Tony Oday View Post
                      Kalil was on KFAN today and was raving about Nick Perry's skills and athletesism.

                      Hopefully he'll be a lot less enthusiastic on December 3rd.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                        Ted is actually in the Al Davis GMing tree already. Ron Wolf learned the personnel game from Davis, and TT learned the personnel game from Ron Wolf.

                        It's sort of a modified Davis approach, since TT's formula is basically "HWS+high character/leadership and throw out guys without actual football ability (for the most part, we all remember Mike Hawkins and Aaron Rouse.)"

                        It's not just on defense either. Ted drafts people who are unusually athletic at every position. He does not draft people who are short, slow, or small at any position.

                        Before anybody thinks this is a knock on or weakness of TT, you have to keep in mind that before he got old and crazy and stopped scouting well, Al Davis was quite probably the greatest GM going.
                        Ted definitely puts a premium on defensive athleticism which makes a lot of sense. By the nature of offense, being a great athlete isn't nearly as important. The defense doesn't know what's coming, offensive players that can execute can still be successful as all they have to do is impose their will on a defense. Finley isn't much of an athlete, but he runs good routes, explodes out of his cuts, knows how to set a cover-man up to create separation. That's all it takes to get open and gain yards. In general the defensive side of the ball is faster and stronger in the NFL, look at players that are similarly sized on the Packers.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
                          Why?

                          Is your grill is not securely attached to your patio?
                          See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. How many other things did I forget to check this morning.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post
                            Ted definitely puts a premium on defensive athleticism which makes a lot of sense. By the nature of offense, being a great athlete isn't nearly as important. The defense doesn't know what's coming, offensive players that can execute can still be successful as all they have to do is impose their will on a defense. Finley isn't much of an athlete, but he runs good routes, explodes out of his cuts, knows how to set a cover-man up to create separation. That's all it takes to get open and gain yards. In general the defensive side of the ball is faster and stronger in the NFL, look at players that are similarly sized on the Packers.
                            I have to disagree with half of your point. I think it is important that offensive players are good athletes, very important in fact (Finley is a good athlete IMO). My theory is that offensive players generally require a much higher level of learned skills to be good. The type of thing you can't learn overnight.

                            For example, if a WR can't catch the ball nobody cares how fast they are and if they can't catch the ball by the time they are done with college, chances are slim they will ever by any good at it. On the other hand, defensive players need to have good fundamentals, but not necessarily the same level of fine/learned skills as an offensive player. That would make on-the-field production less important for defensive players.

                            I just made that up, but it sounded good to me.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                              See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. How many other things did I forget to check this morning.
                              Did you put the steering wheel club on the Lexus?

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                              • #75
                                What did everyone make of Perry's telephone interview at the press conference last night?

                                He mentioned a desire to play DE, I think he said he gained 10lbs to do so. Is there a transcript of that interview anywhere?
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