So What's the Difference? Neal vs Brown Suspensions.

[Fritz]

Just a tad.

If yer brown, you can stick around.

I think Goodell is a dickhead.

Fer instance, I think Fujita got nailed just so they could suspend one white boy.

Goodell has played this "New Sheriff in town" shit to death, IMVHO.

Wait...since when does a guy named "Fujita" get classified as a white boy?

I'm so confused about all this race stuff!

It's much easier to pin it on Roger Goodell's clear hatred of the Green Bay Packers.

I heard that he suggested to the NFL rules committee that Aaron Rodgers should have to wear ankle weights.

On a more serious note, the "system" of supsensions doesn't seem like a system at all. It appears to do more than account for differences in each case; it appears almost whimisical.

Adderall gets you four games if you're Mike Neal but none if you're Andre Brown. If you're a codeine convict you're suspended for a year and then forever, perhaps. If you get busted for domestic assault it's all cool as long as you apologize and enroll in anger management. If you get busted for a DUI or pot smoking, well, we'll see.

[smuggler]

He suspended Jolly after he was arrested, but before he was even charged with anything.

[sharpe1027]

He suspended Jolly after he was arrested, but before he was even charged with anything.

I thought his suspension occurred after he was charged and after he broke the terms of his bond? It was before he was convicted, however.

[Smeefers]

Read the facts again Smeefers. He had a large quantity of substance that contained codeine. Based on the fundamentally idiotic way that Texas actually accounts for drugs, they charged him with having almost ten thousand times more codeine than he actually had.

Okay, I read up on it. He was first arrested for having 200 grams of codine, then he was arrested for having 600 grams then again for an unspecified amount. In comparrision, a tylenol 3 has 3 mg of Codine. If you would like me to do the math for you I will. That's 266,667 (total) T-3's. The highest recomended dosage I could find was 30 mg's. That would be 26,667 (total) doses. He had an abundent amount. You can get as upset as you want, but the dude was distributing. In all he was charged with possession, intent to distribute, driving on a suspended license, tampering with evidence and violation of probation. I stand by what I said, fuck that degenerate. He got what he deserved.

[Guiness]

Okay, I read up on it. He was first arrested for having 200 grams of codine, then he was arrested for having 600 grams then again for an unspecified amount. In comparrision, a tylenol 3 has 3 mg of Codine. If you would like me to do the math for you I will. That's 266,667 (total) T-3's. The highest recomended dosage I could find was 30 mg's. That would be 26,667 (total) doses. He had an abundent amount. You can get as upset as you want, but the dude was distributing. In all he was charged with possession, intent to distribute, driving on a suspended license, tampering with evidence and violation of probation. I stand by what I said, fuck that degenerate. He got what he deserved.

Go find the old thread on this, which Smuggler alluded to.

You did the math yourself that showed how ridiculous the charge was. 270, 000 tylenol 3's would take up the whole drunk, not be in a cupholder. The way Texas frames their drug laws, you get charged for the quantity of the substance containing the drug, not for the quantity of the drug itself. So, if you have a 600ml cola laced with codein, you get charged with having 600g (given 1ml = 1g).

[denverYooper]

Wait...since when does a guy named "Fujita" get classified as a white boy?

I'm so confused about all this race stuff!

It's much easier to pin it on Roger Goodell's clear hatred of the Green Bay Packers.

I heard that he suggested to the NFL rules committee that Aaron Rodgers should have to wear ankle weights.

On a more serious note, the "system" of supsensions doesn't seem like a system at all. It appears to do more than account for differences in each case; it appears almost whimisical.

Adderall gets you four games if you're Mike Neal but none if you're Andre Brown. If you're a codeine convict you're suspended for a year and then forever, perhaps. If you get busted for domestic assault it's all cool as long as you apologize and enroll in anger management. If you get busted for a DUI or pot smoking, well, we'll see.

Whimsy is about right. I don't really think that Goodell is out to get the Packers but he does at times seem inconsistent at best. He seems to over-punish the low-to-middle profile offenders and players who admit to wrongdoing . And James Harrison. He loves punishing James Harrison, even though other players are out there doing the same thing.

[BobDobbs]

Okay, I read up on it. He was first arrested for having 200 grams of codine, then he was arrested for having 600 grams then again for an unspecified amount. In comparrision, a tylenol 3 has 3 mg of Codine. If you would like me to do the math for you I will. That's 266,667 (total) T-3's. The highest recomended dosage I could find was 30 mg's. That would be 26,667 (total) doses. He had an abundent amount. You can get as upset as you want, but the dude was distributing. In all he was charged with possession, intent to distribute, driving on a suspended license, tampering with evidence and violation of probation. I stand by what I said, fuck that degenerate. He got what he deserved.

He did get what he deserved in that he kept testing positive. If he would have stayed clean he would still be playing right now. Or really if he would have just been using a less testable drug like cocaine he might have never gotten caught.

As far as dealing, it's really unclear. What they caught him with that night was mostly soda. They weigh the medium. It's similar to LSD. If you get caught with a tiny vial with one hundred hits you face a lesser charge than one hit on a strawberry. It's stupid sentencing, but that's drug war america. I don't correlate people's sentence to their morality because it's inconsistent. In some states you'll get more time for a little bit of weed than rape.

What I always wonder about in regards to his sentence was the claim that the prosecution made in pre-trial that he was involved in a distribution ring since his rookie year. His case never went to trial, so that claim never had to be backed up with evidence publicly. When it first came out I figured that they were posturing to force him into a plea, but as time has gone on I think he loses the benefit of the doubt.

My totally unfounded speculation is that when he signed his rookie contract he got a 20,000 bonus or whatever sixth rounders get and invested that with people back home who were distributing. That was probably the first time he had enough money to make bulk buys. Takes money to make money, so they kept it up and gave him his cut. Then after he got arrested the NFL sent an investigator down who talked to someone in the DA's office or drug unit who dished a bunch of evidence around him being a money man. Then they suspend him indefinitely, but they can't say publicly that they've got this information that may be part of an ongoing investigation and may not even be legal for them to possess. Long story short the league office decided that there is no way in hell that any NFL player is going to hit the headlines as a drug kingpin.

It's also possible that he tested positive and then as he was going through the appeals process he tested positive one or more times and got arrested. At that point the league said "fuck off, you're stupid and you're gonna end up fuckin' with our money, bye."

[sharpe1027]

It's also possible that he tested positive and then as he was going through the appeals process he tested positive one or more times and got arrested. At that point the league said "fuck off, you're stupid and you're gonna end up fuckin' with our money, bye."

There was some speculation at the time that he might have a failed test that was never made public. If the test occurred while he was out on bond, they might have done him a favor by keeping it quiet.

Pure speculation.

[th87]

Okay, I read up on it. He was first arrested for having 200 grams of codine, then he was arrested for having 600 grams then again for an unspecified amount. In comparrision, a tylenol 3 has 3 mg of Codine. If you would like me to do the math for you I will. That's 266,667 (total) T-3's. The highest recomended dosage I could find was 30 mg's. That would be 26,667 (total) doses. He had an abundent amount. You can get as upset as you want, but the dude was distributing. In all he was charged with possession, intent to distribute, driving on a suspended license, tampering with evidence and violation of probation. I stand by what I said, fuck that degenerate. He got what he deserved.

You couldn't be more wrong.

1. Jolly was found with ONE half-filled bottle of Purple Drank in each instance.
2. Purple Drank is a mixture containing Sprite + a bit of prescription cough syrup (of which a small part is codeine) + a Jolly Rancher.
3. As per Texas law, if you are caught with a mixture containing a certain controlled substance, you are charged as though THE ENTIRE MIXTURE was the controlled substance.

So in reality, all Jolly had was the little codeine that was present in the cough syrup. Thus, your assertions are incorrect. I'm curious to see whether you'll admit it though.

[BobDobbs]

There was some speculation at the time that he might have a failed test that was never made public. If the test occurred while he was out on bond, they might have done him a favor by keeping it quiet.

Pure speculation.

Yeah I know, most of what we have is speculation because of confidentiality around drug testing and the fact the case didn't go to trial. If my memory is correct only Jolly and Gregg Williams have been suspended indefinitely by Goodell. So what's up with that? Maybe we'll find out twenty years from now.

[sharpe1027]

3. As per Texas law, if you are caught with a mixture containing a certain controlled substance, you are charged as though THE ENTIRE MIXTURE was the controlled substance.

There is a lesson here folks: don't dilute your drugs in Texas. Take em straight like a man.

Someone should sell a drink container with two reservoirs and a common drink spout that only mixes the codeine as it is consumed. That way you won't get sentenced based upon how much soda you bought at the 7-eleven.

[Iron Mike]

[smuggler]

If he had a decent defense, he could have appealed based on the unscientific nature of the law and gotten his crap knocked down, but the thing is, he didn't get hammered that bad anyway, so there was no point to do it in the legal realm. However, the way his charges were framed undoubtedly damned him in the perspective of his pro career.

[pbmax]

There should be an asterisk mentioning the shock parole.

[th87]

If he had a decent defense, he could have appealed based on the unscientific nature of the law and gotten his crap knocked down, but the thing is, he didn't get hammered that bad anyway, so there was no point to do it in the legal realm. However, the way his charges were framed undoubtedly damned him in the perspective of his pro career.

Well, that's what he did. Originally, they wanted to charge him with intent to distribute based on the amount of the full mixture. Then the state was ordered to find out exactly how much codeine there was in the mixture. It was the repeat offense that got him time.

Very unfortunate. Jolly was an addict. Not a dealer. If Goodell was really interested in his players, he'd let Jolly come back and be part of a controlled environment. It was the loss of this that caused Jolly to backslide in the first place.