Minicamp June 2012

[Fritz]

I heard also that Dezman Moses had a big sack today.

[pbmax]

We've had different conversations on what is base defense. When it's convenient, you call 3-4 our base. Now that 3-4 being base means Woodson would be our starting safety in base defense and therefor our starting safety by traditional football talk, you choose to disregard it.

Not when its convenient, but when its facts on the ground. Woodson spent no time at safety in this camp and McCarthy said we are talking about 6-8 percent of snaps where he might be on the move.

I haven't seen the Capers quote about more corner Oakie and we haven't seen THAT translate to corner Oakie as the base 3-4. That is just speculation.

Now its possible that McCarthy hinting at playing more base and less nickel meant he wanted more corner Oakie to eliminate the weakest player on defense. But that is just a guess at this point.

Its also possible the 6-8% means corner Oakie, but that isn't guaranteed.

What we do know is that Woodson is not replacing Collins, which is what every flapping media jaw and a few on here were proposing. My contention (and Nutz's) was not that Corner Oakie would disappear, but that Woodson was not going to move full time to safety to replace Collins if he retired.

[Smidgeon]

Given the fun of that practice-jersey photo, where the hell were Thursday and Monday?

I hear rumors that Tuesday Weld is visiting them in their dorm rooms at night.

But on a more serious note, it'll be fascinating to watch the camp battles at corner - Shields better start tackling with gusto, or he's gonna see Davon House starting to get snaps ahead of him. And while Bush has gotten some reps ahead of Shields, that's clearly a "message" thing. But if House has improved as much as MM has said and we hope, then maybe Shields will find himself either developing a fondness for tackling or developing a fondness for getting splinters in his ass.

I'm not sure it's an unfondness of tackling for Shields. Remember, he's only been doing it for three years now. He admitted recently in an article on the DBs that he's still learning technique. Now, I don't know how long that excuse will last, but I'll take my lumps with Shields because of his cover abilities.

[RashanGary]

What we do know is that Woodson is not replacing Collins, which is what every flapping media jaw and a few on here were proposing. My contention (and Nutz's) was not that Corner Oakie would disappear, but that Woodson was not going to move full time to safety to replace Collins if he retired.

Woodson would be SS anyway, not FS.

But yeah, he's not a safety. Capers is creative. The NFL is going to a pass dominant league. Woodson's role is unique. Whatever he is, he's not a boundary cover guy like T-will and he's not a safety. He plays inside spot almost exclusively and dabbles in some traditional CB and some safety. He kind of lines up like a LB regularly too. He's the do everything machine.

[Fritz]

I'm not sure it's an unfondness of tackling for Shields. Remember, he's only been doing it for three years now. He admitted recently in an article on the DBs that he's still learning technique. Now, I don't know how long that excuse will last, but I'll take my lumps with Shields because of his cover abilities.

I dunno. My understanding is that Shields's problem with tackling is more about willingness, not so much about technique.

[Brandon494]

Woodson is better suited to play FS than SS IMO.

[KYPack]

+ wouldn't Friday be Black?

Or is it Black Sunday?

[Fritz]

In the Packers' case, it would have to be Black Thursday.

[Lurker64]

Woodson is better suited to play FS than SS IMO.

And Burnett honestly would be most effective as an SS who has FS skills. As a SS he can be elite, as a FS he can be above average.

[pbmax]

Apparently, Pete Dougherty read the same article about Woodson and Corner Oakie being the new base defense as Justin (on 6th page).

There are two open cornerback positions now that Charles Woodson appears set to move to safety in the base defense — Woodson will remain a slot cornerback in the nickel and dime, which the Packers probably will play on about 80 percent of their defensive snaps.

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20120616/PKR01/120616046/1058&located=rss

No word about House in this. He likes what Heyward and McMillan showed inside.

[Freak Out]

Gurley is 6-4 and a half and weighs 234.....that's not girly.

[MadtownPacker]

Gurley is 6-4 and a half and weighs 234.....that's not girly.

Those numbers make him eligible for bogus domestic violence charges.

[Fritz]

If Shields sees real competition around him - House, Hayward - maybe he'll step it up. Sounds like he needs a boot in the ass occasionally.

[KYPack]

Saw this in a wrap-up of OTA's from Yahoo...

"Following a season in which three undrafted players made the Packers' final 53-man roster, we hear the top candidate to follow in their footsteps could be former Tulane OLB Dezman Moses, who reportedly went out of his way to make his presence felt in the team's mandatory minicamp, saving his best efforts for the practices that were open to the media. The consensus seems to be that Moses was just as impressive as first-round rookie OLB Nick Perry."

Is this good or bad?

Is Moses a keeper or is Perry going to be a slow to develop "tweener"?

Either way, it's worth a bump.

[pbmax]

Packer Report has a recent Perry article with quotes from Kevin Green. But its behind their subscription wall. By the summaries I have seen on Twitter, Green is very excited about Perry, but I have no idea if that was from scouting him, which Green did before the draft or from the minicamp.