PLEASE ANYONE - HELP ME to Understand !!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Woody,

I think we might need to put a 1000 posts/day limit on you.


Holy cripes! I'm assuming you are retired.


You have good things to say, but man I can keep up with this. I don't mean this to sound harsh, but it's driving me to skip over many of your posts.

[woodbuck27]

Why couldn't we have Raynor for a kick off specialist and 50=yarders and sign a proven vet for place kicking

Specialist - YOU think?

That this is the NFL ?

OK Screw it !!

Let's set a motion - to NFL Front office - to increase the 53- man Roster to 54.

The Packers deserve more !!

I LOVE your Avatar - Family Guy.

We get that series up here on Sunday night's and I seldom miss it.

It's very fun to watch. Better than SouthPark in the issues it tackles.

That Army Guy is funny too.

Have a great weekend !!

GO PACKERS !! FOR A BIGGER ROSTER AND MORE . . . ALOT MORE SPECIALISTS !!

[Noodle]

Woody, you are the most positive guy in the world -- they breed 'em right up in New Brunwick is all I can figure.

Have a great weekend yourself, Outlaw Rat.

[woodbuck27]

BTW woody, was it really necessary to make this post in one thread (the correct one), then use that post to make an entirely new thread with such a non-specific title? Its redundant and messy.

SkinBasket - your burning my ass !! EXCELLENT !!!

Actually. . .

I want special attention Skin.

I'm having to replace Harlan of late, because that Chicken Shit - had too many taco's.

What in heck is that all about Mr. Huckleberry. Get yourself back here because your obviously missed.

You too Tank !!! Your too young to fall "in Love". R.E.J.E.C.T !!!

GO PACKERS ! FAITH !! IF YOU CAN GRIP IT HOLD IT !!!

[Patler]

Cundiff is what he is.
Rayner can be better than Cundiff, even if he isn't right now.

The fact that TT and MM are willing to suffer some short term pain for a potential long term advantage is a VERY good thing for Packer fans.

Besides, if Rayner flops, there will be kickers available who are the equivalent of Cundiff, and maybe even Cundiff himself.

Suffer short term for long term gain ????

Are you talking the offensive line or kickers now ? Sounds the same to me

What I an suggesting is that there are always "growing pains" with young players and even more so with young, unrefined talented players. Maybe Cundiff was a bit better, an extra fieldgoal or two this year, but he likely will not ever be anything different than he already is. Rayner may have the physical ability to exceed what Cundiff is, but it might take him a season of experience to get there.

The "safe" pick is to look short term. But ultimately that's what gets you into the playoffs, maybe, but early exits from them. To build a true Super Bowl contender, sometime you have to take a chance on unproven, unrefined talent, hoping you can develope the player in a couple seasons to be one of the better ones at his position.

The Packers have done that in the past, with players like Timmerman, Rivera and Wahle, especially Rivera and Wahle. Look back at what was written when they first started. Even at the end of his first full year as a starter Rivera was ranked as the weak link on a line that was not otherwise necessarily one of the best in the league. Wahle started off and on for several years before he settled in. Timmerman came up to speed fairly quickly, but was very unproven and shaky when he first took over.

Same for Tauscher. What in Tauscher's background made anyone think he could step in as a rookie and play? He was kept for potential and the fact that he was versatile. I believe they were hoping he wouldn't have to play as a rookie, but he did and met the challenge.

Last year, Collins was allowed to develop on the fly.

This year it might be one or more of the lineman, Jennings or Rayner. There will be growing pains, but two years from now you might be glad it was done.

I much prefer the long-term outlook to the short term outlook that some teams follow. True contenders are built by long-term planning, not necessarily deciding based on what is best this season.

As I said before, if rayner flops there will be Cundiff-like kickers available to bring in, maybe even Cundiff himself. This was an attempt by the Packers to be better than what Cundiff is. It may work, it may not, but it is well worth taking the chance, it really is not all that much of a risk.

[woodbuck27]

Cundiff got tossed because he lipped off to the ST coach and generally had a bad attitude. Given there was not that great a difference between the two kickers, they went with youth and potential. I figure we're not a SB contender anyways lets find ourselves a good up-and comer FA...like we did with Longwell.

Jaysus!!

That almost seems like normal life. Then you have to "kiss ass" in the NFL then??

Highly Civilized !!

DAM !!!

GO PACKERS ! GO SOMEWHERE !!!

[Bretsky]

For the record I don't give a crap about Billy C being cut; he was nothing special and neither is our kicker at this point.

I was just being a wise ass regarding the OL. But to answer ...

""Same for Tauscher. What in Tauscher's background made anyone think he could step in as a rookie and play? He was kept for potential and the fact that he was versatile. I believe they were hoping he wouldn't have to play as a rookie, but he did and met the challenge. ""

HE WAS A BADGER. Haven't you been listening.

.................and no need to bring up Ferrario


Cheers,
B

[woodbuck27]

Raynor is younger and cheaper.

Hey TED !!

Is that YOU?

[woodbuck27]

Woody, you are the most positive guy in the world -- they breed 'em right up in New Brunwick is all I can figure.

Have a great weekend yourself, Outlaw Rat.

I was so fortunate Noodle to have a woderful Family.

We did things together alot, and I was allowed to always include my Buds - that always said I was the most fortunate fella because of the LOVE we shared.

I appreciate that kindness Noodle.

Right back at ya !!

Now. . . once in awhile - I'm tested, but I can fall back on who my Family is.

Blessings to YOU Noodle.

GO PACKERS ! Gooooo !!

[mraynrand]

Cundiff is what he is.
Rayner can be better than Cundiff, even if he isn't right now.

The fact that TT and MM are willing to suffer some short term pain for a potential long term advantage is a VERY good thing for Packer fans.

Besides, if Rayner flops, there will be kickers available who are the equivalent of Cundiff, and maybe even Cundiff himself.

And at some point you have to give the job to a guy and let him get comfortable with the holder and kicking all the kicks. This is not a position you want unsettled up to the last moment if at all possible. The Packers were incredibly lucky after Wolf inexplicably drafted a kicker in the third round (Conway) to get Longwell at the last minute. Still, Longwell lost them a game on a chip shot FG vs. Philly in Week 2 in 1997. So it helps to have this situation settled sooner than later, if possible.

[woodbuck27]

Woody,

I think we might need to put a 1000 posts/day limit on you.


Holy cripes! I'm assuming you are retired.


You have good things to say, but man I can keep up with this. I don't mean this to sound harsh, but it's driving me to skip over many of your posts.

YOU gotta pay attention Harvey.

Don't miss a thing.

I read ALL your stuff SMARTY.

GO PACKERS ! HOLD FAITH in 2006 Packer Fans !! That's ALL we've GOT.

[woodbuck27]

Cundiff is what he is.
Rayner can be better than Cundiff, even if he isn't right now.

The fact that TT and MM are willing to suffer some short term pain for a potential long term advantage is a VERY good thing for Packer fans.

Besides, if Rayner flops, there will be kickers available who are the equivalent of Cundiff, and maybe even Cundiff himself.

Suffer short term for long term gain ????

Are you talking the offensive line or kickers now ? Sounds the same to me

Bring " that cream " to the TOP, B.

GO PACKERS ! LOOK UP . . . LOOK WAYYYYY UP !

[Lare]

TTs moves make a lot more sense to me since I changed the criteria I was using to evaluate them.

I used to look at them from a perspective of "Is this going to help us win games?", and I just ended up being more and more confused with every move. But then I started looking at all TT's decisions since he came here from the perspective of "Is this going to help us get better draft picks" and everything started to get clearer. Try it, you'd be surprised.

IMO, TT is a draft junkie. It's what he lives for, it's all he's ever done and lived for. He hates FA, he doesn't believe in trades (especially if he has to give up draft picks). Draft day to him is the World Series of Poker.

Don't believe me? Just wait and see where we're drafting next year after the moves TT makes this year.

[woodbuck27]

Cundiff is what he is.
Rayner can be better than Cundiff, even if he isn't right now.

The fact that TT and MM are willing to suffer some short term pain for a potential long term advantage is a VERY good thing for Packer fans.

Besides, if Rayner flops, there will be kickers available who are the equivalent of Cundiff, and maybe even Cundiff himself.

Suffer short term for long term gain ????

Are you talking the offensive line or kickers now ? Sounds the same to me

What I an suggesting is that there are always "growing pains" with young players and even more so with young, unrefined talented players. Maybe Cundiff was a bit better, an extra fieldgoal or two this year, but he likely will not ever be anything different than he already is. Rayner may have the physical ability to exceed what Cundiff is, but it might take him a season of experience to get there.

The "safe" pick is to look short term. But ultimately that's what gets you into the playoffs, maybe, but early exits from them. To build a true Super Bowl contender, sometime you have to take a chance on unproven, unrefined talent, hoping you can develope the player in a couple seasons to be one of the better ones at his position.

The Packers have done that in the past, with players like Timmerman, Rivera and Wahle, especially Rivera and Wahle. Look back at what was written when they first started. Even at the end of his first full year as a starter Rivera was ranked as the weak link on a line that was not otherwise necessarily one of the best in the league. Wahle started off and on for several years before he settled in. Timmerman came up to speed fairly quickly, but was very unproven and shaky when he first took over.

Same for Tauscher. What in Tauscher's background made anyone think he could step in as a rookie and play? He was kept for potential and the fact that he was versatile. I believe they were hoping he wouldn't have to play as a rookie, but he did and met the challenge.

Last year, Collins was allowed to develop on the fly.

This year it might be one or more of the lineman, Jennings or Rayner. There will be growing pains, but two years from now you might be glad it was done.

I much prefer the long-term outlook to the short term outlook that some teams follow. True contenders are built by long-term planning, not necessarily deciding based on what is best this season.

As I said before, if rayner flops there will be Cundiff-like kickers available to bring in, maybe even Cundiff himself. This was an attempt by the Packers to be better than what Cundiff is. It may work, it may not, but it is well worth taking the chance, it really is not all that much of a risk.

I'll take a dozen of those, Patler. How long for delivery?

[woodbuck27]

TTs moves make a lot more sense to me since I changed the criteria I was using to evaluate them.

I used to look at them from a perspective of "Is this going to help us win games?", and I just ended up being more and more confused with every move. But then I started looking at all TT's decisions since he came here from the perspective of "How is this going to help us get better draft picks" and everything started to get clearer. Try it, you'd be surprised.

IMO, TT is a draft junkie. It's what he lives for, it's all he's ever done and lived for. He hates FA, he doesn't believe in trades (especially if he has to give up draft picks). Draft day to him is the World Series of Poker.

Don't believe me? Just wait and see where we're drafting next year after the moves TT makes this year.

Lare:

Likely many here by now understand or know me, and if not I'll come right out with it.

For me now. It's about the Vet's.

That certainly isn't a product or factor established by my age, and I'll never be really mature (PLEASE - NOT EVER THAT) but . . .

ALL to do with LOYALTY to OUR VET's like Ahman Green and Brett Favre and Donald Driver ,Bubba Franks and the others that have given so much to us "the fans'. Many here are there too and also REAL in the sense of Packer History and PRIDE.

Ted Thompson "in fact" has to be OUR star for OUR future. I don't believe that Ted Thompson won't be, based on his record to date in the draft because he certainly shows promise.

I question his Philosopy on offense because I'm like ALL here not sure what it actuall is. TT didn't step up there in the Off Season as I hoped he would.

From who I am as a Packer fan :

I am selfish. I want to see Favre and Green and OUR Vet's do very well this season.

I realize that we don't get to "even deep in the playoffs" from a standpoint of simple analysis - and " I'm LOYAL to the Vet's."

I believe, that Brett Favre is sincere when he says we have potential and this week, we are aware that Charles Woodson, feels the same as Brett. We have their leadership and experience, and so does Head Coach Mike McCarthy

ALL that encorages me as a Packer fan.

I'm here now.

One game at a time. Game to game - let's hope for the BEST !!

Let's ALL just roll with that. Let's feel that it's not ALL "doom and gloom".

Why?

That's the only way to float - now.

GO PACKERS ! Let's kick some ass !!