Shawne Merriman!

[rbaloha1]

Why were Benson (character issues) and Wells (descending player) signed?

[Patler]

Why were Benson (character issues) and Wells (descending player) signed?

Durability and production, two characteristics not found in Shawne Merriman since 2007.

[rbaloha1]

Of course, the flip side of that argument is that we have another group of pseudo-gms on here who think that every player with a recognizable name should be given a tryout, and any player who was once good still has the possibility to be good, no matter how many years he has played like crap, or been unable to play with injuries since he last was productive..

You have still not identified what makes you think he is worth a tryout. Many of us have told you why we think he is not, because he has done nothing for 5 years and has had one injury after another. We have given you facts behind our opinions. You have given us nothing. What makes you think he is worth even a look?

I provided an opinion except its not a mammoth amount of words which intimidates others from contributing.

My opinion is based on the success of Packers signing players like: Wilkerson, Rison, T. Williams, Howard Green, C. Jenkins (cut previously by the packers), etc. The Packers have a history of bringing in these type of players with success. Merriman could be in this category.

One man's garbage is another person's treasure.

[rbaloha1]

Durability and production, two characteristics not found in Shawne Merriman since 2007.

Please provide a film breakdown of Merriman without hiding behind stats.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Wow, the echo chamber pseudo gms do not believe any former elite player with an injury history and declining skills should be given at the bare minimum a tryout.

I don't see the up side here. His body of work over the last 4 years doesn't warrant a tryout. He may have been able to get after the QB once upon a time but he's had equally as many bad years as good ones. And given the bad years are much more recent, it's a very good indicator that it is where he currently is in his career and ability.

[mraynrand]

I provided an opinion except its not a mammoth amount of words which intimidates others from contributing.

My opinion is based on the success of Packers signing players like: Wilkerson, Rison, T. Williams, Howard Green, C. Jenkins (cut previously by the packers), etc. The Packers have a history of bringing in these type of players with success. Merriman could be in this category.

One man's garbage is another person's treasure.

Some time's one man's garbage becomes another man's garbage. I'm sure the Packers have plenty of film and an entire book on this guy. Since the Packers have shown a willingness to bring in guys like Howard Green, if they don't bring in Merriman, that should speak volumes, regardless of what we think of the guy.

[rbaloha1]

Some time's one man's garbage becomes another man's garbage. I'm sure the Packers have plenty of film and an entire book on this guy. Since the Packers have shown a willingness to bring in guys like Howard Green, if they don't bring in Merriman, that should speak volumes, regardless of what we think of the guy.

Should TT pass on SM that is good enough for me.

[mraynrand]

Should TT pass on SM that is good enough for me.

Me too. I admit I'm kindof a sucker for these former prospects/former stars, thinking that they may come in a give a spark. But there's usually a good reason they get released, and even if they help for a while, they don't stick (Rison, Green). My favorite example is Jim Zorn. Back in the day, I remember watching him play for the Seachickens and thinking that the guy was a real gamer. Then I hear the Packers picked him up. Momentary excitement. But the guy was beyond washed up. The last nickname my brother and I gave him was "Bounce Pass" Zorn - because the guy couldn't throw a simple out pattern anymore. His skills were non-existant. It was embarrassing. I could be wrong, but my gut tells me that's where Merriman is right now.

[Patler]

I provided an opinion except its not a mammoth amount of words which intimidates others from contributing.

My opinion is based on the success of Packers signing players like: Wilkerson, Rison, T. Williams, Howard Green, C. Jenkins (cut previously by the packers), etc. The Packers have a history of bringing in these type of players with success. Merriman could be in this category.

One man's garbage is another person's treasure.

Sorry, your logic fails. The Packers have also passed on bringing in many other has-beens. What about Merriman makes you think it is worth while? The Packers signing him would not make it worthwhile.

[rbaloha1]

Sorry, your logic fails. The Packers have also passed on bringing in many other has-beens. What about Merriman makes you think it is worth while? The Packers signing him would not make it worthwhile.

You are stating the obvious. I NEVER TALKED ABOUT SIGNING MERRIMAN -- I DO NOT KNOW IF ITS WORTHWHILE TO SIGN MERRIMAN. THE ONLY WAY TO DETERMINE IS WITH A TRYOUT.

Now Sir, your film analysis post steroids.

[Patler]

Durability and production, two characteristics not found in Shawne Merriman since 2007.

Please provide a film breakdown of Merriman without hiding behind stats.

I should provide a film breakdown to support my opinion, but you do not have to provide the same to support yours??? Why is that?

My opinion is no, yours is yes.
I, and others, have given reasons related to Merriman's career that support our position.
Apparently, you base your opinion on what some other players have done, which has absolutely no relationship to Merriman's situation. There is no cause and effect relationship.

The Packers acquired successful FAs, sure. The have also acquired many who failed. Obviously, they have also passed on thousands of FA opportunities just while TT has been here, some of whom failed elsewhere, and some of whom succeeded elsewhere. If they have been right more often than wrong, all it indicates is that they are more likely than not to make a good decision.

[Patler]

You are stating the obvious. I NEVER TALKED ABOUT SIGNING MERRIMAN -- I DO NOT KNOW IF ITS WORTHWHILE TO SIGN MERRIMAN. THE ONLY WAY TO DETERMINE IS WITH A TRYOUT.

Now Sir, your film analysis post steroids.

Which is why I said I would not be surprised if they bring him in for a physical etc. after the season starts. To put him on the field and take reps away from others, as you suggested, requires that he be signed first.

Where is your film analysis to indicate why he should be brought in? Opposite opinions on the same issue require the same type of analysis to support.

So, Sir, where is YOUR film analysis????????

[Patler]

My opinion is based on the success of Packers signing players like: Wilkerson, Rison, T. Williams, Howard Green, C. Jenkins (cut previously by the packers), etc. The Packers have a history of bringing in these type of players with success. Merriman could be in this category.

One man's garbage is another person's treasure.

Then I will ask you for the same as you have asked of us. Please provide a film breakdown of Merriman without relying on references to the performance of others. After all, what Wilkerson, Rison, Tim Couch, Earl Little, Matt O'Dwyer, Rod Gardner, or anyone else has done has nothing to do with Merriman's present abilities, and whether or not he merits a look-see.

[ThunderDan]

Wow, the echo chamber pseudo gms do not believe any former elite player with an injury history and declining skills should be given at the bare minimum a tryout.

Appartently 31 other "real" GMs agree so far with the pseudo GMs and the 32nd GM cut his ass to save $1,000,000 against the cap when a majority of his salary was already guaranteed.

[ThunderDan]

Just look at the SM thread I recently bumped. In the fall of 2009 members here were willing to give up to a 2nd round pick to get Merriman back then. Good thing TT didn't listen.