Packers -v- 49ers game week conversation

[pbmax]

If they follow your advice JH, won't all teh usual suspects how up and tell us M3 should have stuck with the run a little longer to slow down the pass rush of the 49ers?

Or perhaps your advocating the Dorsey Levens 1996/1997 vintage or Ahman Green versus the 2001 Ravens playbook of running from multiple wides?

[MadScientist]

My biggest point on this game is that any package that allows SF to stay in base defense is a package we should not put on the field this week.

It doesn't matter if we have 20 fB's on the field and 30 running backs, they're not going to respect our run no matter how you slice it, and they don't have to. If htey're in base, they'll stop it anyway.

They'll be coming at AR's head, and the big difference in having 4 passing weapons with Kuhn protecting AR vs having blockers and backs is that instead of AR having a spread field with dominating passing weapons, he'll have fewer passing options and the run won't work anyway.

This just isn't the time or place to run the ball. Give Benson adn Green some time. It will come together, but for Sunday, against a defense that will do anythign to stay in their base defense, we can't just show up and do exactly what htey want us to do.


We will not run on this base defense. If AR gets time, we can light up their nickle/dime players. Just go all in on this one. Our best players on offense are our WRs and QB. That's who's shoulders you put the game on, the MVP and his dynamite receiving corp. Not a couple RB's who barely know what they're supposed to do.

Trying to run against their base with a standard running formation is likely to be a waste of a down. They may try to come up with a package that the 49's use base, but works well for passing to create the mismatch. Running plays could come from draws with a Benson + 4 wide grouping.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I see San Fran has named their starting wide recievers.

[pbmax]

Bush is #1 in base at RCB according to the first official depth chart of the year.

[RashanGary]

Bush is #1 in base at RCB according to the first official depth chart of the year.

I never thought there would be a day where this came out of my keyboard, but I'm looking forward to seeing Jarrett Bush at starting CB. He's going to frustrate the hell out of WR's at the line, and he's a weapon against the run.

And he's gotten better in coverage. He'll disrupt the timing of a lot of plays, and it's not like he's in no mans land anymore. The QB still has to make a good throw.

If Capers wants to play that nickle defense as his base, Bush is actually a pretty good piece.

[Smidgeon]

I never thought there would be a day where this came out of my keyboard, but I'm looking forward to seeing Jarrett Bush at starting CB. He's going to frustrate the hell out of WR's at the line, and he's a weapon against the run.

And he's gotten better in coverage. He'll disrupt the timing of a lot of plays, and it's not like he's in no mans land anymore. The QB still has to make a good throw.

If Capers wants to play that nickle defense as his base, Bush is actually a pretty good piece.

As long as coverage has nothing to do with tracking the ball in the air...

[RashanGary]

As long as coverage has nothing to do with tracking the ball in the air...

Yeah, not exactly your ideal corner against a team like the Patriots. There aren't too many players who are good at everything. Bush has some real strengths. He's tough. Our #1 concern is Gore, and Bush will be able to put a lickin on those skinny WR's in SF. They'll have to get off the line to catch the ball, and even if they do, the timing should be disrupted. He'll really help contain outside runs.

If we're going to play 2 DL, it's not the end of the world if those two are Pickett and Raji. Throw Bush in there at CB and Perry at OLB, and that soft look isn't quite as soft.

[BobDobbs]

As long as coverage has nothing to do with tracking the ball in the air...

That really is his weakness isn't it? Well it's the moment of truth for Jarrett Bush. I think he's the longest development project I've seen. He's going to be crazy wired, this long to finally have a starting job. I'm interested to see what he's going to do. They've got some decent receivers and they will definitely want to test him. I've got a friend who is entertaining the possibility that this is one long term mind fuck to motivate Sam Shields, because they wanted to start Bush against SF anyway. So, they've been starting him through camp as a ruse. I don't buy it, because then that means they left House in to play special teams so that he would be injured. Matybe the warren commision can figure it out.

This is a great thread by the way. Talking football strategy on a football forum. Love it. By the way that same friend asked me to talk about the 9ers on his podcast on Thursday night, so don't sue me if I use some of this food for thought. I'll give y'all credit where it's due.

[Freak Out]

The SF running game is Gore, Jacobs and James....plus who? James is a interesting weapon.

[Fritz]

Does SF's defense blitz a lot?

I hope that Arod is okay with dumping the ball off, or getting the ball out of the pocket quickly, anyway. You run all those receivers out there , SF blitzes, and you've got potential danger, Will Robinson. I hope Arod doesn't try to be all cool and make the big play every time. Take what they give, and stay upright. And yes, run the backs once in a while out of passing formations.

[pbmax]

As long as coverage has nothing to do with tracking the ball in the air...

I have this hope that Woodson can develop telepathy with Bush and signal to him when to turn around. And whether to spin clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Or he just shouts BALL!

[pbmax]

Does SF's defense blitz a lot?

I hope that Arod is okay with dumping the ball off, or getting the ball out of the pocket quickly, anyway. You run all those receivers out there , SF blitzes, and you've got potential danger, Will Robinson. I hope Arod doesn't try to be all cool and make the big play every time. Take what they give, and stay upright. And yes, run the backs once in a while out of passing formations.

I think Vic Fangio is the DC there and you will remember the defense because he is from the Jim Mora coaching tree WAY back in the USFL. Just like Capers. He also happened to be Capers D coordinator in Carolina. And he runs a 3-4.

He is not an all out blitz guy, but he will send pressure.

But he won't drop his pants.

[rbaloha1]

Suggest the board listen to the Butler videos and read he JS 49er preview -- excellent stuff.

Expect Benson to play a huge role in the game due the 49er emphasis on AR.

[pbmax]

Yesterday Pickett, DJ Williams, Tom Crabtree and Andrew Datko came back to practice

Today, Raji, Francois came back. Lattimore, Richardson and House still out. House worked briefly in drills with harness. Have not seen mention but possible Starks still not available either.

[mraynrand]

IF Bush lines up across from Moss, he'll only have to cover 1 out of every three plays, and he'll never get blocked.