Negatives

[wist43]

So, the answer to my question is zero - zero points allowed on the drives you're talking about. The Defense allowed one play all night. One.

Wist, you're making the mistake of fighting the previous war.

The answer to your question was 13 pts.

At the end of the KC game last year, when our defense couldn't stop the Chiefs from running out the clock by moving the chains - how many pts did Capers give up?? The answer is zero. Same logic.

[wist43]

You really are a bit of a joke. Seattle pushed the Packers defense around? Seattle had 250 yards and would have had 230 yards and 7 points but for a TD gift wrapped by the officials. Packers defense has a chance to be as good as in 2010. Of course if that happens and they make another Super Bowl run, I'm sure you'll just disappear from this forum for a while.

If our offense is "all that"; and our defense is "all that"; and Seattle's offense is, well putrid - how could we possibly have been in a position to lose the game in the first place??

Get rid of the 2-4 nickel nonsense; the 1-10 dime nonsense; and the 3 man rush nonsense, and I can live with Capers as our DC; but that simply won't happen b/c Capers prefers gimmicks to sound defense.

I ask ya, what moron in Odin's hell would field a 1-10 dime against Seattle on 3rd and 5 from their own 5?? Pete Carroll had to have been laughing when he saw what Capers was lined up in... Lynch for 7 yds, move the chains, move the clock, and into the locker room for some half time refreshments.

[Joemailman]

If our offense is "all that"; and our defense is "all that"; and Seattle's offense is, well putrid - how could we possibly have been in a position to lose the game in the first place??

Because right now our offense isn't "all that". Why are you ranting against Capers and the defense when the defense is outperforming the Packers offense? Packers right now have the #3 defense and the #25 offense. The defense is carrying this team right now, but your tunnel vision prevents you from seeing that.

[George Cumby]

Here is the box score:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320924026

I have deleted some of the less telling stats (sorry about the fucked up formatting):

Team Stat Comparison
GB SEA
1st Downs 22 14
Passing 1st downs 11 4
Rushing 1st downs 6 6
3rd down efficiency 7-15 2-11
Total Plays 68 51
Total Yards 268 238
Yards per play 3.9 4.7
Total Drives 9 11
Passing 184 111
Comp - Att 26-39 10-21
Sacks - Yards Lost 8-39 1-19
Rushing 84 127
Rushing Attempts 21 29
Yards per rush 4.0 4.4
Penalties 10-127 14-118
Turnovers 0 0
Possession 33:39 26:21

Look at ToP, first downs, YpCarry. Qualitatively, Packers were beat up, quantitatively, not so much, except in the SACKS. As soon as M3 got his head out of his ass, the sacks stopped. Had that adjustment been made in the second as opposed to the third quarter, the Pack walks away in a two-three score game. So although I too have concerns about this team's toughness, that concern may be overblown.

[wist43]

Because right now our offense isn't "all that". Why are you ranting against Capers and the defense when the defense is outperforming the Packers offense? Packers right now have the #3 defense and the #25 offense. The defense is carrying this team right now, but your tunnel vision prevents you from seeing that.

No, it is you guys who don't get it.

It is akin to Jay Cutler shouting at and pushing his Left Tackle, J'Marcus Webb on national TV - Webb didn't make a mental mistake, he got beat physically. That happens. If he missed an assignment, and had repeatedly missed the assignment - then yes, Cutler has a legitimate gripe.

The same holds true for Capers - his sin would be analogous to Webb making a mental mistake and blowing an assignment. If Capers lines them up in a proper alignment, and Lynch pounds thru us for 7 yards - I can live with that to some degree. Getting beat physically happens. What shouldn't be tolerated is mental mistakes and idiotic calls.

Capers calling a 1-10 dime on that 3rd and 5 from their 5 yd line was nothing short of moronic - and that's why he deserves to be called out for it. TT went out and got him a bevy of front seven players for a reason - our front seven sucked last year. Capers takes that influx of talent and sits 'em on the bench on a critical 3rd down?? It cost us a legitimate chance at points, and that's absolutely unacceptable.

[mraynrand]

] At the end of the KC game last year, when our defense couldn't stop the Chiefs from running out the clock by moving the chains - how many pts did Capers give up?? The answer is zero. Same logic.

It's different when you're trailing and need the ball back. The Packer defense got the ball back for the offense time and time again, trailing 7-0, 7-3, 7-6. Your 13 points is bullshit. Stew in your anger, but the defense gave up one play.

[Fritz]

Wist, when someone pointed out the wrongheadedness of your claim, you simply switched tour focus to a single play, as if that would validate your sweeping generalization. But it doesn't. And your "Capers prefers gimmicks" line is foolish - as if Capers actually thinks, "I know a base defense is the right call here, but I prefer gimmicky defenses!" This is akin to the moronic argument a few years ago that Ted cut perfectly good players simply because they weren't his picks.

[3irty1]

There is a lot of blame to go around the offense this year but the last game is mostly on MM. We're all familiar with his tenancy to overhaul the offense every 6 weeks or so but the playcalling has been questionable lately. Those shrimpy seattle passrushers can't zip past our tackles if it wasn't perpetually 3rd and 10 or worse. Those guys shouldn't have even been on the field enough to get 8 sacks because of the liability they represent against the run. A team like Seattle can't afford to hemorrhage rushing yards as proven by the turnaround in the second half. That final score could have been 28 - 7.

Another big negative for me is Ced Benson. I love how quickly he gets up to speed and he is a fine runner but he doesn't do the small things well. His ball security is an issue, and he is profoundly worthless in pass protection. Benson is as good a pass catcher as we've had at the running back position but we're better off with a back who can reliably pick up a blitz and buy us time to go down field than we are with a back who can catch dumpoffs when things break down. I think he's a big factor for the overall lack of offensive potency we are used to.

[3irty1]

No, it is you guys who don't get it.

It is akin to Jay Cutler shouting at and pushing his Left Tackle, J'Marcus Webb on national TV - Webb didn't make a mental mistake, he got beat physically. That happens. If he missed an assignment, and had repeatedly missed the assignment - then yes, Cutler has a legitimate gripe.

The same holds true for Capers - his sin would be analogous to Webb making a mental mistake and blowing an assignment. If Capers lines them up in a proper alignment, and Lynch pounds thru us for 7 yards - I can live with that to some degree. Getting beat physically happens. What shouldn't be tolerated is mental mistakes and idiotic calls.

Capers calling a 1-10 dime on that 3rd and 5 from their 5 yd line was nothing short of moronic - and that's why he deserves to be called out for it. TT went out and got him a bevy of front seven players for a reason - our front seven sucked last year. Capers takes that influx of talent and sits 'em on the bench on a critical 3rd down?? It cost us a legitimate chance at points, and that's absolutely unacceptable.

Capers made that call based on the down and distance. 3rd and 5 is a passing situation. Taking out that many down lineman might dare them to run but the play will have to be zone and it'll have to be inside because of all the speedy and confusion from the defense. Of course if you can't stop an inside zone even when you know its coming then that's no good either.

[mraynrand]

There is a lot of blame to go around the offense this year but the last game is mostly on MM. We're all familiar with his tenancy to overhaul the offense every 6 weeks or so but the playcalling has been questionable lately. Those shrimpy seattle passrushers can't zip past our tackles if it wasn't perpetually 3rd and 10 or worse. Those guys shouldn't have even been on the field enough to get 8 sacks because of the liability they represent against the run. A team like Seattle can't afford to hemorrhage rushing yards as proven by the turnaround in the second half. That final score could have been 28 - 7.

Stubby was being Stubby. By God, he was going to pass the ball. In the first half, Seattle looked like a defense playing up by three TDs with 4 minute left in the fourth quarter. Why respect the run, when the other team refuse to run the ball. They just absolutely teed off on the pass. Stubby watched Cobb pick up 20 on a draw, but refused to try that again. Sometimes Stubby is so Stubby, it's becomes a total clusterstubby.

[denverYooper]

Stubby was being Stubby. By God, he was going to pass the ball. In the first half, Seattle looked like a defense playing up by three TDs with 4 minute left in the fourth quarter. Why respect the run, when the other team refuse to run the ball. They just absolutely teed off on the pass. Stubby watched Cobb pick up 20 on a draw, but refused to try that again. Sometimes Stubby is so Stubby, it's becomes a total clusterstubby.

Absolutely. Seattle clearly came into the game expecting what the Packers were bringing and they were selling out on the pass. Lo and behold M3 played right to it.

I was actually sort of surprised that they changed up their attack in the 2nd half because they've gotten stuck in whole games with the "by god we're going to pass" mentality.

It's going to be a different story if they meet again this year. The Packers will destroy them if they meet again.

[mraynrand]

[denverYooper]

One more negative from the game: the equipment staff. It looked like Green Bay was on skates out there, slipping all over the place.

[wist43]

Capers made that call based on the down and distance. 3rd and 5 is a passing situation. Taking out that many down lineman might dare them to run but the play will have to be zone and it'll have to be inside because of all the speedy and confusion from the defense. Of course if you can't stop an inside zone even when you know its coming then that's no good either.

There is never - NEVER EVER - an instance in which having only 1 DL on the field can be justified.

That said, 3rd and 5 from their 40 yard line with just under 2 minutes to go might be a passing down; but 3rd and 5 from their own 5 yard line, in a game in which the opponent is clearly adhering to the philosophy of run, play solid defense, and win the field position battle - is not a passing down.

They may pass, try something short; but in all likelihood they are going to run it so as not to risk a turnover with their rookie QB; they will gladly punt in that situation and let their defense go out and sack Rodgers another 8 times. I put the odds of run/pass in that situation at 90/10 - and of course we saw what happened. Easy 1st down.

When I was watching the rewind (I missed the game live), before they ever snapped the ball, I was shaking my head and thinking WTF??!! They ran the ball for the easy 1st down - the next words out of my mouth were "fucking idiot".

You guys just give Capers a pass as if everything he does is brilliant - I got news for ya, Capers' defense set a league record for pass defense futility last year. Yes, the front seven sucked, and it wasn't all his fault, but to set a league record in futility should be an embarrassment for the coach who oversaw it - yet, no criticism of Capers is allowed??

His gimmicks are a problem, and it is hurting the team.

[mraynrand]

There is never - NEVER EVER - an instance in which having only 1 DL on the field can be justified.

I guess that settles that!