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[denverYooper]

Seattle has sort of a gimmicky D. They played with 2 DL on a lot of snaps and use a lot of S/CB and DE/LB tweeners.

[3irty1]

There is never - NEVER EVER - an instance in which having only 1 DL on the field can be justified.

Well there's your problem.

[Bossman641]

There is never - NEVER EVER - an instance in which having only 1 DL on the field can be justified.

That said, 3rd and 5 from their 40 yard line with just under 2 minutes to go might be a passing down; but 3rd and 5 from their own 5 yard line, in a game in which the opponent is clearly adhering to the philosophy of run, play solid defense, and win the field position battle - is not a passing down.

They may pass, try something short; but in all likelihood they are going to run it so as not to risk a turnover with their rookie QB; they will gladly punt in that situation and let their defense go out and sack Rodgers another 8 times. I put the odds of run/pass in that situation at 90/10 - and of course we saw what happened. Easy 1st down.

When I was watching the rewind (I missed the game live), before they ever snapped the ball, I was shaking my head and thinking WTF??!! They ran the ball for the easy 1st down - the next words out of my mouth were "fucking idiot".

You guys just give Capers a pass as if everything he does is brilliant - I got news for ya, Capers' defense set a league record for pass defense futility last year. Yes, the front seven sucked, and it wasn't all his fault, but to set a league record in futility should be an embarrassment for the coach who oversaw it - yet, no criticism of Capers is allowed??

His gimmicks are a problem, and it is hurting the team.

Last year is done. Capers got plenty of blame for the performance last year.

[Zool]

There is never - NEVER EVER - an instance in which having only 1 DL on the field can be justified.

That said, 3rd and 5 from their 40 yard line with just under 2 minutes to go might be a passing down; but 3rd and 5 from their own 5 yard line, in a game in which the opponent is clearly adhering to the philosophy of run, play solid defense, and win the field position battle - is not a passing down.

They may pass, try something short; but in all likelihood they are going to run it so as not to risk a turnover with their rookie QB; they will gladly punt in that situation and let their defense go out and sack Rodgers another 8 times. I put the odds of run/pass in that situation at 90/10 - and of course we saw what happened. Easy 1st down.

When I was watching the rewind (I missed the game live), before they ever snapped the ball, I was shaking my head and thinking WTF??!! They ran the ball for the easy 1st down - the next words out of my mouth were "fucking idiot".

You guys just give Capers a pass as if everything he does is brilliant - I got news for ya, Capers' defense set a league record for pass defense futility last year. Yes, the front seven sucked, and it wasn't all his fault, but to set a league record in futility should be an embarrassment for the coach who oversaw it - yet, no criticism of Capers is allowed??

His gimmicks are a problem, and it is hurting the team.

I'd love to hear your assessment of Belicheck who's D last year was exactly 93 passing yards behind the Packers D for the season. Their run D was actually worse than the Packers D.

[wist43]

So, when Capers came out in that 1-10 front, on that 3rd down inside their own 10 yd line - not one of you thought, "WTF"??

What are you guys looking at when you watch the games?? Seriously, do any of you even look at formations, personnel, down-distance?? Would you think something amiss if it were 1st and goal from the 1 yd line, and Capers came out in that alignment?? Would you even notice??

Capers call there was nothing short of moronic - I knew it the second I saw what personnel he had on the field... given Capers track record of trying to be cute, personnel are the first thing I look at on every play. He simply can't be trusted to do the right thing.

[Joemailman]

We got lucky and won a SB - teams hadn't caught up to what we were doing on offense yet, and every player on the roster played to their ceiling for that stretch of games. Take the money and run... we stole one.

The jig is up now though, and the flaws have been exposed.

Your true colors are showing. When the Packers win the Super Bowl, you give them no credit, and you bash them the rest of the time. I know Bears fans who give the Packers more credit than you do. Never mind that in their run to the Super Bowl, they beat the shit out of the Giants late in the season, beat the Bears in the NFC Title Game, and beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl. Those were just finesse teams, right?

[wist43]

Your true colors are showing. When the Packers win the Super Bowl, you give them no credit, and you bash them the rest of the time. I know Bears fans who give the Packers more credit than you do. Never mind that in their run to the Super Bowl, they beat the shit out of the Giants late in the season, beat the Bears in the NFC Title Game, and beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl. Those were just finesse teams, right?

I gave them credit... it was a fun ride.

I stated what it was though - we got on one hell of run, everyone played to their ceiling; teams hadn't caught up to our offense yet; we still had Jenkins; Green played okay and gave us just enough up front... and it was enough to win it all.

TT did nothing to address the front seven last offseason - in fact, he was content to let us go backward by letting Jenkins walk... the end result of ignoring the front seven was last seasons debacle on defense. I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying the 2011 Green Bay Packers defense sucked to high heaven. The front seven was so weak that Capers perhaps had an argument for only trotting 2 DL out there on the field, b/c there weren't any other NFL worthy DL on the roster.

Fast forward to today, TT did a nice job of bolstering the front seven; the offense has regressed; the OL is pathetic and can't run the ball to save a starving child in Africa; and Capers is negating the influx of front seven talent by playing gimmick defensive fronts. Don't see how saying any of that should be controversial.

So I guess you would fall into the crowd that doesn't look at personnel and alignments while watching the game??

[Joemailman]

So I guess you would fall into the crowd that doesn't look at personnel and alignments while watching the game??

I fall into the crowd that that doesn't care what alignment they use as long as the results are there, and the Packers defense has played very well the last 2 games. You want to see the Packers play their base 3-4 all day. I don't care whether they play 3-4, 1-10 or 10-1 as long as they're getting the job done. The last 2 games they've gotten the job done.

[th87]

I gave them credit... it was a fun ride.

I stated what it was though - we got on one hell of run, everyone played to their ceiling; teams hadn't caught up to our offense yet; we still had Jenkins; Green played okay and gave us just enough up front... and it was enough to win it all.

TT did nothing to address the front seven last offseason - in fact, he was content to let us go backward by letting Jenkins walk... the end result of ignoring the front seven was last seasons debacle on defense. I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying the 2011 Green Bay Packers defense sucked to high heaven. The front seven was so weak that Capers perhaps had an argument for only trotting 2 DL out there on the field, b/c there weren't any other NFL worthy DL on the roster.

Fast forward to today, TT did a nice job of bolstering the front seven; the offense has regressed; the OL is pathetic and can't run the ball to save a starving child in Africa; and Capers is negating the influx of front seven talent by playing gimmick defensive fronts. Don't see how saying any of that should be controversial.

So I guess you would fall into the crowd that doesn't look at personnel and alignments while watching the game??

Jenkins missed like the last 6 games of 2010. The defense didn't drop off.

[wist43]

I'm sure you're right, the Packers didn't miss Jenkins last year

[Pugger]

wist must be the most Negative Nellie I've ever read on any Packer forum. Criticizing the defense this year when the offense is the one being offensive. Brilliant.

[Bossman641]

Let's just play 3-4 every down and run toss sweeps out of the pro formation. Go 1967!!!!!

[KYPack]

Let's just play 3-4 every down and run toss sweeps out of the pro formation. Go 1967!!!!!

Don't forget 65 toss power trap as the counter play! Go 1969.

[pbmax]

Stubby was being Stubby. By God, he was going to pass the ball. In the first half, Seattle looked like a defense playing up by three TDs with 4 minute left in the fourth quarter. Why respect the run, when the other team refuse to run the ball. They just absolutely teed off on the pass. Stubby watched Cobb pick up 20 on a draw, but refused to try that again. Sometimes Stubby is so Stubby, it's becomes a total clusterstubby.

Its a little of both. Seattle was the first team not to stay deep like it was a Hail Mary on each play. JSO called it "daring them to pass" as opposed to the Bears and 49ers daring them to run. So by alignment, it was a defense they should have been able to torch with the pass. But you are correct that they played pass rush all the way with their ends. Its one of the few times they shouldn't have tried to take what the defense was giving them.

[pbmax]

I think a lot of the offensive issues start with Rodgers but not his mechanics or reading of defenses. I think he is worried about pass protection and it causes him to be unsure of his pocket and timing, very much like 2009. He may have started out afraid of Newhouse, but now Bulaga and Saturday have given him reason for concern. They need a clean game to reset the (internal) clock.