Steven Jackson On Trade Block

[Fritz]

I finally figured it out: RutnStrut is Matt Millen.

If Marshawn Lynch wasn't worth a third round pick, then Steven Jackson sure ain't worth a second.

I would prefer that the Packers trade for a new left side of the offensive line.

[Bossman641]

Cedric Benson is OLDER than Steven Jackson by 9 months.
Cedric Benson has 600 LESS touches than Steven Jackson.
Cedric Benson has missed 22 games in 8 seasons.
Steven Jackson has missed 13 games in 9 seasons.
Cedric Benson has a career average of 3.8 yards.
Steven Jackson has a career average of 4.2 yards.
Cedric Benson has fumbled while running 20 times in 96 games.
Steven Jackson has fumbled while running 18 times in 123 games. (Jackson does have 5 receiving fumbles, though earlier in his career.)
Steven Jackson has TRIPLE the receiving yards that Cedric Benson does.
Steven Jackson has 67 career touchdowns to Cedric Benson's 33 career touchdowns. More than double the production.

I think we were all super excited to finally have a real running-back, but Ced Benson isn't really the elite back we all think he is. He's certainly good, but not great. I'm not saying that Steven Jackson is great, but I like him more than Ced Benson. He's pretty much the same back as Ced Benson at this stage in his career, but one thing he is right now that Ced Benson isn't is healthy.

At least to me, there is no question that Jackson is a better back. But 600 additional touches is huge in running back years.

[pbmax]

That cap space Jackson would eat, will also likely be used to lock someone up long term and conserve money for the big three; Rodgers, Matthews and Raji.

Though at this point, I am not happy about paying Raji a boatload of money for his production.

[Patler]

Jackson's age and history of use are most irrelevant, because they would not be trading with the intention of using him beyond this year. All that matters is his current performance ability, and what that is worth to the Packers for the next 8 games + any playoffs. It really doesn't matter how "used up" he is except as to how that impacts his performance this season.

[Patler]

That cap space Jackson would eat, will also likely be used to lock someone up long term and conserve money for the big three; Rodgers, Matthews and Raji.

Though at this point, I am not happy about paying Raji a boatload of money for his production.

I wish I knew what their cap space really is. Several articles during the first week of the season put them at around $6.5 million. Since then they had signed Van Roten and White to what I assume are minimum contracts, and extended Goode with 1/4 of his signing bonus counted this year. Those three deals should have used up just under a million, or so. Yet, an article this morning suggested they had just over $7 million in cap space to absorb Jackson's contract.

Their cap space might actually have grown some. Benson was said to have a two-tier contract, with significant reduction while on IR. In his original contract, Woodson had a weekly bonus for being active. If that carries through to this year, they could gain from it every week he isn't active. I don't know if Bishop has anything like that in his new contract, but the Packers have used it a lot, even with rookies, so they could be getting something back from the Sherrod deal as well.

[Guiness]

Green Bay Packers 2nd round picks under Ted Thompson
2012 Jerel Worthy, Casey Hayward
2011 Randall Cobb
2010 Mike Neal
2009 Traded to NE along with two thirds for Clay Matthews and Jamon Meredith
2008 Jordy Nelson, Brian Brohm, Pat Lee
2007 Brandon Jackson
2006 Daryn College, Greg Jennings
2005 Nick Collins, Terrence Murphy

So, we're looking at our top three receivers, a Safety who will go to the Packers Hall of Fame, three below average guys that started for us and are now with other teams, a below average defensive lineman, Thompson's worst pick, an unfortunate injury, and the two rookies this year. Hayward is definitely a pro and Worthy is at least active. 2009 is tough to judge, but I think that it is safe to say that if we didn't have the value of a 2nd round pick to move up we wouldn't have Clay Matthews on the team.

That's a lot of value from the second round. Tons of games started, a bunch of pro bowlers, and probably an NFL Hall of Famer. Let's keep that pick. Lynch was a better deal, because he was under contract for the next year. Seattle gave up what became a 4 and 5 for him. I would love to have Stephen Jackson on the team but not for anything higher than a fourth round pick.

I hear ya, but we'd be getting a known quantity, not a lottery ticket. You're getting a proven guy who's playing great NOW, not potential down the road. And this team can win now.

The magic question is, does he improve our chances at the SB this year, is there the chance he'd put us over the top? It's a pretty complex thing to guess. Does the look of our offense change, and is that something the Packers want? They don't bring him to town just so they can have a guy to occasionally run between the tackles. Remember what our offense looked like the years Ahman Greene was in our backfield?

It does seem like the Pack needs someone else back there, that Greene might not develop fast enough and Starks can't seem to find his groove. But you'd think there's a 2nd string RB on a non playoff team that fills the need without going for an elite guy that breaks the bank and mortgages our future. Spiller and Jackson are sharing time in Buffalo. D. Williams isn't getting many carries behind Stewart. Further down the scale, Peyton Hillis isn't very useful with J. Charles in KC.

[run pMc]

If TT spent a second round pick on a player who missed the first 8 games, played great for the next 8, and then never played for the Packers again... we'd say that's a bad pick.

This.

I'd be ok with trading a R6 for Jackson. Maybe. Yes, he's good, but he's an 8 game rental with a lot of miles. The GB offense goes through Rodgers, not the run game. They need just enough to keep defenses honest.
What GB needs is for Bulaga(knee) and Lang(elbow) to get healthy and a better C than Saturday. I'd rather TT keep the R2 pick and spend it on the OL (or a RB).

The JAX game was an ugly win, but considering they were missing the #1WR, #2WR, #1 RB, #1FB and Finley is hurt it's hard to expect a blowout. Roll Starks into the gameplan a bit more and get healthy over the bye.

[sharpe1027]

If you can convince me that Jackson all but guarantees a SuperBowl win, I'd say he's worth it. Nobody's going to be able to do that, so I'd rather keep doing what's best for the Packers both now and in the future. I'm not willing to slightly increase the chance of a SuperBowl win this year at the expense of slightly decreasing the chance of SuperBowl wins for the next several years (both in lost draft pick and cap space). I think a second is too high for 8 games and his cap number. I no problem with the Packer's taking a pass at that price. Lower it to a 4th rounder and I'd be very intrigued.

[rbaloha1]

SJ could have a similar impact like Keith Jackson and Andre Rison.

TT make the deal. Dumping Finley may not be a bad idea.

[King Friday]

Jackson's best days are past. I'd rather have Thompson actually try to DRAFT a RB with some talent for a change.

[pbmax]

SJ could have a similar impact like Keith Jackson and Andre Rison.

TT make the deal. Dumping Finley may not be a bad idea.

I take a backseat to no one in my joy about Andre Rison being on the Packers Super Bowl squad. It led to the best Holmgren story ever, about Reggie White asking Holmgren to let Rison speak to the team before a playoff game. I am sure it was a speech about fire safety, stop, drop and roll, that kind of thing. And homeowners insurance.

But he was an NFL caliber body on a roster without an NFL caliber WR outside of Freeman, who was coming off an injury himself. He was a mess, ran the wrong routes and paid dividends only when Favre gave him a secret signal that meant "if you are single-covered, go deep". At that offense's best, he was the fifth option behind Free, Keith Jackson, Chmura and both RBs and the FB. Make that the sixth option (Bennett and Levens were not usually on the field at the same time that year).

Now could Jackson be more Jackson than Rison? Maybe. But the cost is likely to be too high even if you discount the rumors as being the Rams leaking their opening bid.

[Guiness]

When is the trade deadline now? It was supposed to be Tuesday, but pushed back because of the storm, right?

[pbmax]

When is the trade deadline now? It was supposed to be Tuesday, but pushed back because of the storm, right?

Thursday. Speaking of which, Jeff Fisher said Stephen Jackson was NOT on the trading block. It was almost unequivocal, which means, they are probably trying to trade him.

[Lurker64]

When is the trade deadline now? It was supposed to be Tuesday, but pushed back because of the storm, right?

The deadline is this afternoon at 4 PM (I think Eastern, maybe Central).

[Lurker64]

Thursday. Speaking of which, Jeff Fisher said Stephen Jackson was NOT on the trading block. It was almost unequivocal, which means, they are probably trying to trade him.

I interpreted his statements as "we're trying to trade him, but gosh darn everybody is lowballing us."