The Cullen Jenkins Mistake

[MadtownPacker]

[BobDobbs]

Lol, I have no clue what "great" movie you're talking about. As far as I know, your avatar is that of Diesel, you know the wrestling guy. Have you seen Stone Cold and Cena's acting? The Rock is the only guy worth watching.

Up to this point I felt that you were wrong, but have been sticking to your guns with integrity if not humility.
But this post is OVER THE LINE!

[red]

Well that's just like....your opinion man.

FYI, the dude in the purple jump suit is our fearless leader, mad

[denverYooper]

Fuckin' creep can roll man.

[BobDobbs]

Fuckin' creep can roll man.

Eight year olds, Dude.

[Patler]

Yes, I saw that statement. What I failed to see when you initially made that statement was WHAT or WHO your source was.

Now you claim your source is some guy posting on the internet. I checked out the link and he took a lot of his data from sources like NFLPA, MJS and ESPN. So unless he was a Packer employee or he had inside info, his guess was as good as the MJS or GBPG.

Plus, you failed to acknowledge that the majority of the Packers' cap surplus came from the TV deal that was signed in 2006. The only way the Packers could go from being 7.5 M under at one point in 2005 to being 35 M under in 2006 without the new deal was if they cut ties with a bunch of their highest paid players.

So all in all, you're telling me that it was mathematically impossible for the Packers to retain Wahle, Rivera and Sharper?

I find that hard to believe. Since the beginning of the salary cap era, teams have been manipulating the cap and restructuring existing contracts to make more room.

Sorry, but I never did know the guys name, but his cap data was linked at many sites, and was generally considered the most current and accurate. He seems to have stopped in 2009 unfortunately. While I still had bookmarks to the early years, all the ones I had are now dead except 2008 and 2009. (Thanks to those who have provided still active links above.) However, I do have printed copies going back to 2003, I think.

You seem to ridicule the guy because he "took a lot of his data from sources like NFLPA, MJS and ESPN. So unless he was a Packer employee or he had inside info, his guess was as good as the MJS or GBPG." Wow, have you ever missed the point! He was better than any of those (except NFLPA, which of course was accurate but very delayed) BECAUSE he took information from all of them. That's the point, he was the one place that gathered info from numerous sources, noted any discrepancies, and then took the time to try and resolve them. By doing so, his compilation was better than any other (except of course NFLPA, which could be months out of date.)

One time you talk about retaining Wahle, Rivera and Sharper (as in your quote above); the next time you state Wahle, Rivera or Sharper. There is a huge difference. I have no intention of playing your little game by answering one and having you erupt based on the other.

[denverYooper]

Sorry, but I never did know the guys name, but his cap data was linked at many sites, and was generally considered the most current and accurate. He seems to have stopped in 2009 unfortunately. While I still had bookmarks to the early years, all the ones I had are now dead except 2008 and 2009. (Thanks to those who have provided still active links above.) However, I do have printed copies going back to 2003, I think.

You seem to ridicule the guy because he "took a lot of his data from sources like NFLPA, MJS and ESPN. So unless he was a Packer employee or he had inside info, his guess was as good as the MJS or GBPG." Wow, have you ever missed the point! He was better than any of those (except NFLPA, which of course was accurate but very delayed) BECAUSE he took information from all of them. That's the point, he was the one place that gathered info from numerous sources, noted any discrepancies, and then took the time to try and resolve them. By doing so, his compilation was better than any other (except of course NFLPA, which could be months out of date.)

One time you talk about retaining Wahle, Rivera and Sharper (as in your quote above); the next time you state Wahle, Rivera or Sharper. There is a huge difference. I have no intention of playing your little game by answering one and having you erupt based on the other.

He was like the Nate Silver of Cap data.

[KYPack]

He was like the Nate Silver of Cap data.

His name was Craig Pheeples.

Best Packer cap guy ever.

Once a season, Shermy used to feed the Packer cap info to Silverstein so he could write a JSO column about the Packer cap. Craig would be within a few thou of the number coming right from the Pack. That boy really worked at that shit.

[Guiness]

no, that is not kevin nash

its "the dude" from the big lebowski

the dude abides

[Patler]

His name was Craig Pheeples.

Best Packer cap guy ever.

Once a season, Shermy used to feed the Packer cap info to Silverstein so he could write a JSO column about the Packer cap. Craig would be within a few thou of the number coming right from the Pack. That boy really worked at that shit.

Do you know what has happened with him? Did he drop the "project" when the info dried up a few years back? I had hoped he would pick it up again after the new CBA was signed.

[LegandofthePack15]

One time you talk about retaining Wahle, Rivera and Sharper (as in your quote above); the next time you state Wahle, Rivera or Sharper. There is a huge difference. I have no intention of playing your little game by answering one and having you erupt based on the other.

Huh?

I made it clear from the very beginning that Thompson could've retained Wahle, River AND Sharper if he wanted too. Where did I state "or"? (probably a typo).

Wow, I love internet arguments. No one ever concedes defeat. When losing, just change the subject or simply ignore the person you're arguing with.

Bottom line is, it was NOT mathematically impossible for the Packers to retain Wahle, Rivera AND Sharper in 2005. With the tv deal, the Packers would be able to absorb their cap figures in future years.

Regarding the cap "guy you're so fond of, anybody with internet access, knowledge of elementary math and a lot of time on his hand could compose a similar cap list. The guy isn't Deep Throat; he isnt a Packer employee with access to cap data. He's just a guy who did a lot a research using data that is widely available to everybody.

Ok, Patler, I am done playing your game, too.

[Shoal]

Well I'm not sure if we had enough cap space or not...but I just want to know how we let Vonta Leach get away.

[Pugger]

Best to let this one go Patler. He's baiting you.

Cute cartoon! Someone on Packerchatters had it as an avatar a couple of years ago but it was too small to read the caption!

[Patler]

Bottom line is, it was NOT mathematically impossible for the Packers to retain Wahle, Rivera AND Sharper in 2005. With the tv deal, the Packers would be able to absorb their cap figures in future years.

So explain how in 2005 that could have been done, knowing that they had to meet cap requirements of 2005 to get through to the cap increases of subsequent years.

I have explained that they had few existing contracts from which cap space could have been gained. I have listed players and contract information. You have given us nothing more than unsupported allegations.

BTW, wasn't your "last reply in this thread." somwehere in the middle of the last page???

[denverYooper]

Cute cartoon! Someone on Packerchatters had it as an avatar a couple of years ago but it was too small to read the caption!

It's from XKCD, FYI.