O-LINE ANALYSIS, PACKERS VS. FALCONS (MOLL EDITION!)

[RashanGary]

Bretsky is not pessimistic, he's opinionated in my view.

If it comes to Favre or Chambers, he's all optimist.

When it comes to TT he's all pessimist.

He just looks for excuses to jab at the guys he hates. WE could probably sort through all of his football posts and get a reoccuring theme. 25% are Fergi hating. 25% are TT hating and 50% are related to something else.

Most posts, like many of us are non football related, but if we just take the football ones, I'll bet we get almost all jabs at those two guys.....

He just wants an excuse to bang his little drum. I'm sorry, it gets old.

[Bretsky]

Ron Wolf had the luxury of drafting for depth. Ted Thompson was not drafting for depth. And who knows what kind of potential he has at LT ? As all we know so far is he seems to have failed at OG.

TT and his scouts (wist would have a field day with these comments) were thoroughly convinced that Colledge would excel as an OG in this system. That is what he was drafted for. You could argue Clifton is breaking down; I could argue he may have another successful 5-6 years in the league. Time will tell to see who is right, but he''s being paid big money to excel at OT and Colledge was drafted to play OG as he was immediately given the starters job to lose, which he did.

Colledge could certainly save our bacon as a backup OT; so could any other backup on our roster. But Teddy didn't draft him to be a backup on one of the worst OL's in football in 2005.

Clifton was drafted after the Packers were coming off an 8-8 season. That team wasn't deep, and he didn't have that luxury, but Wolf didn't go with conventional wisdom. He understood the importance of some positions. That's why he drafted QBs every year.

You can't say the scouts thought he would be a great OG. Maybe they thought he might make it at OG, but if nothing else, they'll have a good LT down the line.

Incredible. You've really gotten pessimistic about everything. So, you are going to judge Colledge before his first regular season game? I'll choose to wait a few years. You make me look like tex.

OK, "excellent" was an overexaggeration, but adequate would certainly be fair. And it's tough to argue he wasn't drafted with the intention of him starting. I think your long post threw me into a Packer morale downspin. . I'm not going to judge Colledge's career; I have no idea how it'll turn out. I just gather impressions from what I see on the playing field. Ditto for Aaron Rodgers, who I do see more reasons to be optomistic about.

If I'm making you look like Tex, maybe I need to lighten up a bit cause it's not my intention. A while back I predicated 7-9 give our take two games. I'm about the same now as I think they'll win between 6-8 games, but I'm more critical of Ted Thompson lately........but that's another story.

Cheers,
B

[Bretsky]

Bretsky is not pessimistic, he's opinionated in my view.

If it comes to Favre or Chambers, he's all optimist.

When it comes to TT he's all pessimist.

He just looks for excuses to jab at the guys he hates. WE could probably sort through all of his football posts and get a reoccuring theme. 25% are Fergi hating. 25% are TT hating and 50% are related to something else.

Most posts, like many of us are non football related, but if we just take the football ones, I'll bet we get almost all jabs at those two guys.....

He just wants an excuse to bang his little drum. I'm sorry, it gets old.

I think I have about 2G in posts; by your unsubstantiated count I'd have 500 posts about Robert Ferguson. Either you are a wonderful exaggerator or a good comedian.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well, I wouldn't say Bretsky gets old. Well, he is. But not his posts. He's just been abnormally pessimistic. I think I might have pushed him over the edge with my post last week. I'm still worried about this team. I'll stick with 7-9, but I'm okay with the direction of the team. Maybe Tony Friggin' Moll is the answer to our OG problems. I thought it was our worst draft pick, but I've been wrong before. Of course, he could be another Will Whitticker (a guy who started only because of the pathetic competition).

[RashanGary]

GregJennings“Most posts, like many of us are non football related, but if we just take the football ones, I'll bet we get almost all jabs at those two guys..... “

Bretsky “I think I have about 2G in posts; by your unsubstantiated count I'd have 500 posts about Robert Ferguson. Either you are a wonderful exaggerator or a good comedian.”

Either English isn’t your first language and you have a hard time understanding what I wrote or you just forgot to read my post before you responded.

[woodbuck27]

I agree to a degree as well gbpackfan. At least you backed your opinion with some damn fine research and examples. Havel didn't even bother to say why. He just said this is what he is, take my word for it.

It's what is called a summary Article GregJennings and paints the picture that Daryn College is useless to us this season except as Chad Cliftons backup. As OUR second pick in the draft that isn't cool.

If we lost Chad Clifton to injury,would that give us any cause for concern, having Daryn Colledge as his replacement? Havel makes it seem that Colledge has to be placed " in NFL Tackle School", and is otherwise useless.

Take that and Bretsky's post and giving OUR needs on the OL, going back a full year plus.

Indeed if we grip onto Havel's claim. Ted Thompson messed up with that pick taking Daryn Colledge. Some draft guru's commented on being surprised, that Ted Thompson used that pick to choose Colledge.

Essentially, Bretsky's post has merit.

We needed a chance at a player/starter with OUR second pick, certainly not a backup on OUR OL.

GO PACKERS ! FAITH FOR 2006 !!!

[Bretsky]

GregJennings“Most posts, like many of us are non football related, but if we just take the football ones, I'll bet we get almost all jabs at those two guys..... “

Bretsky “I think I have about 2G in posts; by your unsubstantiated count I'd have 500 posts about Robert Ferguson. Either you are a wonderful exaggerator or a good comedian.”

Either English isn’t your first language and you have a hard time understanding what I wrote or you just forgot to read my post before you responded.

I didn't read your rambly sentence closely enough. Regarding your clever cunning insults, I could easily throw some back but I won't stoop to your level because that's not what the forum it about. But you keep if that's what you are about.


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[HarveyWallbangers]

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[woodbuck27]

I wouldn't agree with that at all, Bretsky. Having a potential great LT is like drafting a potential great QB. They are hard to find. Clifton is over 30 now and is hobbling. If Colledge is a good starting LT in year 3 it would still be a great draft pick. Hell, Ron Wolf drafted Clifton when it looked like there was no need for him. Who's to say Clifton can hold up all year. It wouldn't be out of the realm for Colledge to "save our bacon" at some point this year at LT.

Yea! I forgot again that we're just along for the ride this year and the REAL time to cheer will be in 2011 ?. .2012 ? or is it 2013 ? . . . .

Anybody not see OUR needs at guard this season? Shouldn't a Great potential LT be able to learn to play guard and help the TEAM now?

Should he just stain the pine as we wait for OUR present pretty decent LT to become silly puddy?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Every fan and GM says you shouldn't draft for need, and then when you don't, they complain. I remember Wolf taking a OG in the 2nd round. They tried to play him at OT and it failed. It took him a few years, but he became a great OG. His name is Mike Wahle.

[LEWCWA]

Seems to me the Packers had more problems on the edges in game one than the interior. Frome the ol stats posted here Moll wasn't any better really than College, the ol was just better overall. I get the impression the tackles played better...It is my humble opinion that if Moll is the starter Green Bay is in trouble...The stats show me they were both about the same!! How did College do in his playing time!

[RashanGary]

I think Colledge just needs to play stronger straight ahead. I think Moll might have taken it by the throat though. Hopefully that is the case and Colledge can take the next open tackle position. When is Tauscher's contract up?

[RashanGary]

Colledge has been a Tackle his whole career. He's used to being tenative as to defend the outside and not just whiff going straight ahead. OG's can go full steam ahead without worry of a guy going around him because of the tight space. I think part of Colledge's problem was that he didn't use all of hsi power straight ahead but instead used some of hsi energy to defend a corner that wasn't there.

Gaurds just have to stop the bull rush. that is it. Nothing more. I think Colledge tried to be too fancy. I wish he had another shot, but I think Moll might have grabbed it by the throat.

Also, Moll seems loved by Favre adn the other lineman. Thompson said he takes that Chemistyr thing into account. I think him and McCArth are on the same page that way. I think Moll might have it, but if College got another shot, I think he could redeem himself.

[SD GB fan]

reading some articles, im impressed with wat Moll has done. yes hes been beat badly some times but i didnt think he wud make the 53 man roster. sounds like he has improved a lot and hopefully will continue to improve as the season progresses. colledge is probably more natural at tackle. i read somewhere that he reacts like a tackle instead of aggressively play like guards in ZBS.

[Bretsky]

I think College will get more shots at OG, but you are right in that he has to learn to play stronger. I'm pretty sure both OT's are signed for at least this year and next so the three will have plenty of time to compete barring injuries to Clifton and Tauscher.