Giants Review: Start With Rodgers

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http://www.packersnews.com/article/20121126/PKR07/121126059/Baranczyk-Christl-column-Linemen-aren-t-finishing-blocks?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE&nclick_check=1

Baranczyk and Christl take aim at the O line first, then Rodgers. Not necessarily in order of worst job, but its some of the more pointed criticism of Rodgers in a while. Also makes a case for lang to go back to Guard though they don't discuss Barclay.

[Patler]

I don't disagree with the gist of their article, but they always present their arguments in such a "the sky is falling" manner that it really turns me off. Their descriptions of individuals, both players and coaches are generally demeaning, which I think is unnecessary. If you can sift through their pettiness, they sometimes make good points, but I find their presentation to be borderline unprofessional, but unfortunately quite common today.

[Patler]

It also intrigues me how their evaluations of those on IR, out for the game, or retired become so glowing compared to the poor slobs trying to fill in for them. When those same now unavailable players were the ones on the field, they never found as many good things to say about them.

Their approach never changes, and for that reason I find their articles uninteresting. I feel like I know what they will write before the article appears.

[Zool]

It also intrigues me how their evaluations of those on IR, out for the game, or retired become so glowing compared to the poor slobs trying to fill in for them. When those some now unavailable players were the ones on the field, they never found as many good things to say about them.

Their approach never changes, and for that reason I find their articles uninteresting. I feel like I know what they will write before the article appears.

"The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes"

"The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day."

That unfortunately is the prevailing mentality of people anymore. Most of the media panders to this audience to increase revenue.

[LegandofthePack15]

"At times against teams that have been able to apply pressure in front of their two deep zones, Rodgers has made bad reads, pulled the ball down prematurely, gotten antsy with his feet and dumped off balls on third down that had little chance of picking up a first down."

Agree with this statement. Rodgers deserves all the criticisms he gets. The guy played one great, MVP-ish game this year - the 6 tds game VS Houston. The rest, Rodgers was either average or below average.

[rbaloha1]

AR sometimes likes the make the big plays too often by holding the ball too long.

The return of Jennings helps the offense tremendously.

[Patler]

[I]The rest, Rodgers was either average or below average.

Do you mean average for him, or average for starters in the league?

Was it the Detroit game (my old mind fails me ) in which none of us felt he played particularly well? OK, but not exceptional. Yet MM said that it may have been one of Rodgers best games, in view of the circumstances he was put in and how he responded to it.

Today McGinn states:

He has made it clear how much he abhors interceptions and is striving to keep away from a double-digit total for the season. Rodgers said he didn't throw the Hail Mary at the end of the first half partially because he might have taken a big hit from Mathias Kiwanuka when he reared up to unleash. Offensive coordinator Tom Clements approved of his decision. But it's also likely that Rodgers doesn't want to give away a cheap pick, either.

"But it's also likely....." Likely? Based on what? Rodgers seems to dislike interceptions, but so does MM, and more importantly they have impressed on him over and over that a single play is not worth it if he puts himself at significant risk to make it. If he had thrown the ball for an incompletion or interception, and been leveled by Kiwanuka in the process sustaining a concussion or other injury knocking him out of the game, games or season; McGinn and all the others would complain about his decision making putting himself at significant risk for a play with very limited chance of success.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Cleft Crusty]

I don't disagree with the gist of their article, but they always present their arguments in such a "the sky is falling" manner that it really turns me off. Their descriptions of individuals, both players and coaches are generally demeaning, which I think is unnecessary. If you can sift through their pettiness, they sometimes make good points, but I find their presentation to be borderline unprofessional, but unfortunately quite common today.

It's a tough racket, Mr. Patler. I make it a rule never to insult the idiots I'm paid to critique.

[denverYooper]

"But it's also likely....." Likely? Based on what? Rodgers seems to dislike interceptions, but so does MM, and more importantly they have impressed on him over and over that a single play is not worth it if he puts himself at significant risk to make it. If he had thrown the ball for an incompletion or interception, and been leveled by Kiwanuka in the process sustaining a concussion or other injury knocking him out of the game, games or season; McGinn and all the others would complain about his decision making putting himself at significant risk for a play with very limited chance of success.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Excellent point. Rodgers is more wary of his health in certain games vs. others. With 4 division games coming during the stretch, and a likely playoff berth, they need him more than anyone so he has to be economical in the way in which he sells out to win certain games and/or plays. One play that exemplifies this for me is the fumble he jumped on in the AZ game just before the bye.

So too, in the playoffs last year, he took quite a beating and kept stepping into it.

I think that in certain games not deemed as important, that he is less likely to take chances with his health.

[denverYooper]

This, from PFF, via Vandermause (https://twitter.com/MikeVandermause/...372490055680):

Great http://ProFootballFocus.com stat: When Rodgers had 2.6 seconds or more, his QB rating was 125.9. With 2.5 seconds or less, his rating: 25.9.

[PA Pack Fan]

"At times against teams that have been able to apply pressure in front of their two deep zones, Rodgers has made bad reads, pulled the ball down prematurely, gotten antsy with his feet and dumped off balls on third down that had little chance of picking up a first down."

Agree with this statement. Rodgers deserves all the criticisms he gets. The guy played one great, MVP-ish game this year - the 6 tds game VS Houston. The rest, Rodgers was either average or below average.

I agree 100%. He seems to get a free pass on critique, or the usual missing Jennings bullshit excuse. What a croc. He has 3 other world class recievers but somehow this would all change with Jennings in the game.

[Pugger]

Excellent point. Rodgers is more wary of his health in certain games vs. others. With 4 division games coming during the stretch, and a likely playoff berth, they need him more than anyone so he has to be economical in the way in which he sells out to win certain games and/or plays. One play that exemplifies this for me is the fumble he jumped on in the AZ game just before the bye.

So too, in the playoffs last year, he took quite a beating and kept stepping into it.

I think that in certain games not deemed as important, that he is less likely to take chances with his health.

And thank god for that. If we lose Rodgers then we are truly screwed.

[Pugger]

I agree 100%. He seems to get a free pass on critique, or the usual missing Jennings bullshit excuse. What a croc. He has 3 other world class recievers but somehow this would all change with Jennings in the game.

I don't think any of us will give him a pass from the other night. He didn't play well and focused too much on Cobb. But the O line situation didn't help either. After running for his life he got happy feet like ALL QBs do when they get hit a lot back there.

[denverYooper]

I don't think any of us will give him a pass from the other night. He didn't play well and focused too much on Cobb. But the O line situation didn't help either. After running for his life he got happy feet like ALL QBs do when they get hit a lot back there.

Ya Puggs. Not a lot of praise for Rodgers this week.

[Tony Oday]

27 TDs 6 picks and sacked 32 times...yup average QB this year...are you stoned? Check the carbonminoxide detector in your mom's basement because those are damn good stats.