How can the Eagles be this bad?

[Patler]

OK ... you don't like Andy Reid as a HC candidate. If Philly dismisses him he won't be long finding another good position in the NFL. Owners are licking their lips to get him.

Why?

His body of work is excellent.

That, and because he is a former HC. The sad fact in all pro sports is that the difficult job to get is the first one as a HC. Thereafter, you can get fired time and time again and still find work as a HC if you want it.

I wouldn't classify his body of work as excellent. Maybe very good, but not excellent. To annually have teams that are considered among the most talented teams in the NFC, true SB contenders, and make just one SB is not an excellent performance in my opinion.

[Patler]

JSO had an article earlier this year about HC tenure, and basically concluded that very few HC's are anywhere near as good after 8 or 10 years as during those first 8-10 years. It didn't matter if they stayed with the same teams or switched teams. It was true even for those with very long careers. The "magic" of those first 8-10 years, if they had it, very seldom was as strong in later years. Maybe passion is lost, maybe opponents get to know them better, maybe the game evolves and they fail to evolve with it; but the greatest success comes early in HC careers, for the most part.

[Fritz]

[QUOTE=woodbuck27;699025]OK ... you don't like Andy Reid as a HC candidate. If Philly dismisses him he won't be long finding another good position in the NFL. Owners are licking their lips to get him.

Why?

His body. . . is excellent.[/QUOTE]

Eww, Woodbuck. Creepy.

[woodbuck27]

[QUOTE=Fritz;699030]

OK ... you don't like Andy Reid as a HC candidate. If Philly dismisses him he won't be long finding another good position in the NFL. Owners are licking their lips to get him.

Why?

His body. . . is excellent.[/QUOTE]

Eww, Woodbuck. Creepy.

Ohh wow ! That......is ....CREEPY. LOL

Good one Fritz.

[red]

i think reid suffers from being a "good guy"

the good guy thing can work with the right personal. but i don't think the team full of high priced egos is the right personal for that type of coach

that and vick is a coach killer. he seems to have that one big year whenever its time to get paid, then he turns back into normal vick

its also come out that the d-line douche bag that they just got rid of wasn't even reids guy. the GM hired and brought him in before reid had a DC. guy turns out to be a major prick and AR can't do anything about it because it was his bosses hire.

they'd be doing AR a huge favor if they just cut the poor bastard and put him out of his missery. them clean out the rest of the house and start over, that organization is a complete mess

[woodbuck27]

JSO had an article earlier this year about HC tenure, and basically concluded that very few HC's are anywhere near as good after 8 or 10 years as during those first 8-10 years. It didn't matter if they stayed with the same teams or switched teams. It was true even for those with very long careers. The "magic" of those first 8-10 years, if they had it, very seldom was as strong in later years. Maybe passion is lost, maybe opponents get to know them better, maybe the game evolves and they fail to evolve with it; but the greatest success comes early in HC careers, for the most part.

Should we be surprized?

That pretty much is 'a general statement' on by far most of us, in most of our endeavours.

[KYPack]

JSO had an article earlier this year about HC tenure, and basically concluded that very few HC's are anywhere near as good after 8 or 10 years as during those first 8-10 years. It didn't matter if they stayed with the same teams or switched teams. It was true even for those with very long careers. The "magic" of those first 8-10 years, if they had it, very seldom was as strong in later years. Maybe passion is lost, maybe opponents get to know them better, maybe the game evolves and they fail to evolve with it; but the greatest success comes early in HC careers, for the most part.

Halas coached the Bears for 40 years. But it was in four 10 year increments. He thought just like you do. He'd burn out, take a few years off observing the game and then come back to coaching. In addition to 10 years of doing that shit burning you out, after some time, he needed a fresh set of players that hadn't heard all his bullshit.

In the modern NFL, taking 3 or 4 years off and coming back in might not be possible.

[Patler]

Halas coached the Bears for 40 years. But it was in four 10 year increments. He thought just like you do. He'd burn out, take a few years off observing the game and then come back to coaching. In addition to 10 years of doing that shit burning you out, after some time, he needed a fresh set of players that hadn't heard all his bullshit.

In the modern NFL, taking 3 or 4 years off and coming back in might not be possible.

I think they counted Halas as one of the exceptions to the general result.

[woodbuck27]

I think they counted Halas as one of the exceptions to the general result.

If Jon Gruden makes a return as an NFL HC.

I'd bet the team that wants him will spend alot to have him.

I've sure enjoyed his color work on MNF. He see's so much and is fun for me to listen to and learn from.

[mraynrand]

Halas coached the Bears for 40 years. But it was in four 10 year increments. He thought just like you do. He'd burn out, take a few years off observing the game and then come back to coaching. In addition to 10 years of doing that shit burning you out, after some time, he needed a fresh set of players that hadn't heard all his bullshit.

In the modern NFL, taking 3 or 4 years off and coming back in might not be possible.

That's probably why you see guys like Coughlin riding the roller coaster; or guys like Fisher taking a year out and heading for a new team. Parcells would start somewhere fresh, but always get a couple of players who were his true believers and lockerroom enforcers to support his BS. And until unavailable, he would scoop up Belichick. Like Jackson lining up Tex Winter to teach/run the triangle, you need those trusted assistants to run the show.

[Guiness]

That, and because he is a former HC. The sad fact in all pro sports is that the difficult job to get is the first one as a HC. Thereafter, you can get fired time and time again and still find work as a HC if you want it.

I wouldn't classify his body of work as excellent. Maybe very good, but not excellent. To annually have teams that are considered among the most talented teams in the NFC, true SB contenders, and make just one SB is not an excellent performance in my opinion.

That mostly rings true - it's a small fraternity, and once you make your way in they seem to stay 'in'. Witness a guy like Dick Vermeil, I never did figure out how he kept getting hired. Every year you see some recycled candidates, Sherman might be back as an HC yet. He seems to want to and is positioning himself for it.

[Guiness]

Halas coached the Bears for 40 years. But it was in four 10 year increments. He thought just like you do. He'd burn out, take a few years off observing the game and then come back to coaching. In addition to 10 years of doing that shit burning you out, after some time, he needed a fresh set of players that hadn't heard all his bullshit.

In the modern NFL, taking 3 or 4 years off and coming back in might not be possible.

Not too many have stuck around for that type of a length of time. In the Super Bowl era, how many guys lasted 10 years with a team? Pittsburgh seems to be the exception, with Noll and Cowher, with Tomlin well on his way.

[red]

lets say reid retires or is fired

is that the end of the holmgren coaching dynasty? i remember when they were the cats ass, now they're all out of coaching or assistants

what the hell happened?

[King Friday]

Reid should have stepped aside after his kid died. I doubt Reid's head has really been 100% into football this year. Reid has seen more than his share of personal conflict in recent years, which I think has greatly impacted his ability to coach.

If I was his friend, I would tell him to strongly consider just taking a few years off from coaching...lose some weight...get healthy both mentally and physically before returning to a job that is extreme in stress and fatigue.

[red]

Reid should have stepped aside after his kid died. I doubt Reid's head has really been 100% into football this year. Reid has seen more than his share of personal conflict in recent years, which I think has greatly impacted his ability to coach.

If I was his friend, I would tell him to strongly consider just taking a few years off from coaching...lose some weight...get healthy both mentally and physically before returning to a job that is extreme in stress and fatigue.

screw that, if i'm his friend i tell him to get out of coaching, period.

go into the broadcasting side. his buddies gruden and mooch can tell him how good it is.

everytime i see or talk to mooch he's on cloud 9 and loving life and his job on the nfl network. i doubt he ever leaves that gig