B.J. Sander cut

[esoxx]

Walker did not work out well. We got a good year and a half out of him, and a 2nd round pick in return. The rest of his time here was spent A) sucking B) in rehab or C) sulking.

Sherman didn't injure him and Shreman wasn't responsible for him in 2005.

Greenday, er Mraynrand, or whoever you are....

You can hit all these people with logic, over and over adnauseum and it will never matter. Sherman causes them to "SEE RED" because he didn't deliver the promised land. There is no tolerance for failure in fandom.

If you look at the "big picture" (getting to the Super Bowl before Favre retired), it doesn't make Sherman's picks any better, BUT, it sure makes more sense than saying he's an "idiot", or a "poor evaluator of talent".

Had Sherman got the team "over the top" and succeeded with the talent he had for one run, which is probably all he had a shot at, he'd have still drafted "crappy" players and we'd still be where we are today, but the troops would be a hell of a lot more patient, with THE SAME SITUATION.

Ayn, just give it up. We've got a bunch of people here who have their judgement clouded and will never see the Sherman years in perspective.

Comparisons to old coaches and Sherman is just STUPID. Most of these people didn't live to watch Bart Starr, Forrest Gregg, or Dan Devine, yet they think Sherman ranked with them. Maybe we ought to sponsor some re-runs of old games while these guys were coached. Maybe Patler could compare the "talent" level of those teams....

Disclaimer - My purpose is NOT TO DEFEND the picks Sherman made, only to put the years into their "proper" context. I didn't like trading up to draft a punter anymore than anyone else here, but I do understand WHY he did that. You can understand WHY and not agree with it....

You know what retail, I actually think we're in the same camp. I do understand WHY Sherman traded up. I do. It's just that, his picks for the most part sucked donkey balls. That's the problem and that's why he's thought of as being a poor GM here. Trade up all you like, get the ammo you need to put a team on the field. Just make sure when you do trade up, don't consistently draft junk like Donnell Washington, James Lee, BJ Sander, Hunter Hillemayer (decent pick but foolishly left off the 53 man roster), Kenny "Big Game" Peterson, Brennan Curtain, etc..

So the WHY part I understand. It's the results of the picks part that ticks me off. As it does you. I'm glad we had this conversation.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Too bad Sander didn't go to Michigan. Then, bulldog could start posts about how underrated Sander really is. Sander's blows. He's an embarrassment to Ohio State, but not the embarrassment that Mo Clarett is.

It's 50/50 on whether Ryan punts come the regular season.

[retailguy]

You know what retail, I actually think we're in the same camp. I do understand WHY Sherman traded up. I do. It's just that, his picks for the most part sucked donkey balls. That's the problem and that's why he's thought of as being a poor GM here. Trade up all you like, get the ammo you need to put a team on the field. Just make sure when you do trade up, don't consistently draft junk like Donnell Washington, James Lee, BJ Sander, Hunter Hillemayer (decent pick but foolishly left off the 53 man roster), Kenny "Big Game" Peterson, Brennan Curtain, etc..

So the WHY part I understand. It's the results of the picks part that ticks me off. As it does you. I'm glad we had this conversation.

Esoxx, thanks.

I think the "biggest" problem with all the trades is the few picks Sherman was actually left with. That didn't help the "odds" that a player would pan out. I'm sure that Sherman justified all the trades with the idea that the drafted player fit a "particular need", but in the end, the trade ups doomed him.

Sherman had a "Super Bowl or Bust" mentality and had NO PLAN for failure. That was his biggest mistake. He didn't think he'd still be trying to "hit" the goal in 03 or 04, and his moves by that point were laced with desperation. No one succeeds in that environment.

[Scott Campbell]

You can't argue with this.

[falco]

does anybody here have customized license plates the same as their user name?

[Green Bud Packer]

i don't have one good thing to say about sherm the worm so i'll say nothing at all. ted cutting kickers early and putting the load on one guy makes sense for the pack if thomp feels he'll be able to pick up a cundiff or sanders type kicker in final cut downs. by the way, sweet cap mazzin.

[MadtownPacker]

Sherman had a "Super Bowl or Bust" mentality and had NO PLAN for failure. That was his biggest mistake. He didn't think he'd still be trying to "hit" the goal in 03 or 04, and his moves by that point were laced with desperation. No one succeeds in that environment.

Thats why I try to not bash him, cuz he did throw all the chips on the table and try to win it now. For that I cant hate on him but everyone knew it was time for a change.

[retailguy]

SC,

I really do love that pic, but c'mon, it is no different than picking one sentence someone said here, and taking it out of context, and using it over and over and over. You really don't know what else was going on there, other than Sherm needed a nap.

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does anybody here have customized license plates the same as their user name?

Hahahahah you do? That's awesome!

[falco]

does anybody here have customized license plates the same as their user name?

Hahahahah you do? That's awesome!

no i dont....but i think i know someone here who does.

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hilarious! WI plates are 6 characters max, correct? or can you use 7 and not use a hyphen?

[falco]

hilarious! WI plates are 6 characters max, correct? or can you use 7 and not use a hyphen?

Wisconsin allows 7 without the hyphen.

I'm not saying who it is either, but it was quite a shock to see; that or a strange coincidence.

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hilarious! WI plates are 6 characters max, correct? or can you use 7 and not use a hyphen?

Wisconsin allows 7 without the hyphen.

I'm not saying who it is either, but it was quite a shock to see; that or a strange coincidence.

Hmmm, I have an idea, what is a big city you live around?

[falco]

Partial;

greater Wausau area. But I don't want to say anymore; I don't want to violate anyone's privacy (even though its really not).

I'm sure the person knows who they are. If they want to admit it they can...

[retailguy]

Thats why I try to not bash him, cuz he did throw all the chips on the table and try to win it now. For that I cant hate on him but everyone knew it was time for a change.

Madtown, you raised a great point. In most of life, those who "put it all on the table" are regarded with some respect, whether they win or lose. Sherm's got almost NONE of that, and for me, that's disappointing.

As for the change, I agree, because fandom would have revolted had Harlan not hired TT in 2005. Fandom would probably not have revolted in 2006 if TT had not fired Sherman. It will be interesting to see if "fandom" accords McCarthy the same/less/more latitude. I, for one, will be watching.