Offense Versus 49ers

[PA Pack Fan]

Our recievers are not able to get open, besides cobb. The catches by JJ and sometimes finley are miraculous, they are not even close to being open. I wonder if the size of the ego is a factor in the amount of effort.

[denverYooper]

Our recievers are not able to get open, besides cobb. The catches by JJ and sometimes finley are miraculous, they are not even close to being open. I wonder if the size of the ego is a factor in the amount of effort.

Don't forget that Green Bay's offense was the hotness for 20 games or so in a row from the end of 2010 on through the playoffs last year. Teams studied and adjusted to Green Bay, the Packers struggled with injuries all over the offense, and still put up 27 points per game against pretty good slate of defenses. They'll evolve. Their line will get healthy. They'll figure out another back to package with Harris, and they'll get on a roll again.

[woodbuck27]

You're a broken record. The offense scored 17 meaningful points. Suck on that. You don't win games scoring 17 points on offense.

The Deputy happens to be correct. The West Coast offense is far removed from the offense we saw on the West Coast last Saturday evening.

Here's 'a clue'. It's grown too short. For the rest here....look at this and see 'the TRUTH'. That disgusting loss to the
49ers, wasn't all on the Green Bay 'defense'. The blame has to be shared on both sides of the ball.

Too many here, I expect, will be unwilling to admit this fact.

If that's 'in fact' the case; then maybe you need a reality check. Before you can ever realistically hope or dream of going to another Super Bowl. Alot must be done. Some hard decisions made. By the way we're Packer fans not fricken politicians. So let's get it too real.

Look at that loss to learn, please.

In the first four possessions of the second half, our offense managed a FG. At the 8:38 point of the third quarter the game was tied '24 all' on a Mason Crosby FG. Was the 49ers 'D' that good that an Aaron Rodgers led offense could only manage 3 points in four possessions?

Here's the game play by play so anyone can have a look and see for themself:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201301...yze=playbyplay

3rd Quarter SCORE: 49ers 24 - Packers 21

Green Bay first possession of the second half:

Green Bay Packers to receive at 15:00 of the 3rd quarter:

2-D.Akers kicks 66 yards from SF 35 to GB -1. 18-R.Cobb to GB 26 for 27 yards (46-D.Walker).

1-10-GB 26 (14:54) (Shotgun) 26-D.Harris right tackle to GB 29 for 3 yards (94-J.Smith, 38-D.Goldson).

2-7-GB 29 (14:11) (Shotgun) 26-D.Harris right end to GB 32 for 3 yards (53-N.Bowman, 38-D.Goldson).

3-4-GB 32 (13:28) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at GB 23 for -9 yards (52-P.Willis).

4-13-GB 23 (13:05) 8-T.Masthay punts 42 yards to SF 35, Center-61-B.Goode, fair catch by 19-T.Ginn.


Second Possession of the second half: SCORE 49ers 24 - Packers 21

Green Bay Packers at 11:56

1-10-GB 11 (11:56) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 85-G.Jennings to GB 13 for 2 yards (55-A.Brooks).

2-8-GB 13 (11:23) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep right to 85-G.Jennings to GB 43 for 30 yards (38-D.Goldson). Caught at GB 43. 0-yds YAC

1-10-GB 43 (10:51) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 87-J.Nelson to SF 49 for 8 yards (26-T.Brock). Caught at 50. 1-yd YAC

2-2-SF 49 (10:18) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 87-J.Nelson pushed ob at SF 41 for 8 yards (26-T.Brock). Caught at SF 41. 0-yds YAC

1-10-SF 41 (10:01) (Shotgun) 18-R.Cobb right guard to SF 22 for 19 yards (52-P.Willis, 31-D.Whitner).

1-10-SF 22 (9:22) (Shotgun) 18-R.Cobb up the middle to SF 18 for 4 yards (99-Ald.Smith).

2-6-SF 18 (8:51) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 87-J.Nelson.

Timeout #1 by GB at 08:46.

3-6-SF 18 (8:46) PENALTY on GB-74-M.Newhouse, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SF 18 - No Play.

3-11-SF 23 (8:46) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 18-R.Cobb to SF 15 for 8 yards (38-D.Goldson). FUMBLES (38-D.Goldson), recovered by GB-70-T.Lang at SF 15. 70-T.Lang to SF 13 for 2 yards (20-P.Cox).

4-1-SF 13 (8:38) 2-M.Crosby 31 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-8-T.Masthay.

SCORE: PACKERS 24 - 49ers 24


Third Possession of the second half: SCORE after San Fran scored '7' on their last possession SF 31 - GB 24

Green Bay Packers at 07:07

2-D.Akers kicks 67 yards from SF 35 to GB -2. 18-R.Cobb, Touchback.

1-10-GB 20 (7:07) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 85-G.Jennings.

2-10-GB 20 (7:01) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 83-T.Crabtree (53-N.Bowman) [55-A.Brooks].

3-10-GB 20 (6:57) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers scrambles left end ran ob at GB 37 for 17 yards.

1-10-GB 37 (6:27) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 18-R.Cobb to GB 40 for 3 yards (38-D.Goldson, 20-P.Cox).

2-7-GB 40 (5:52) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 18-R.Cobb to GB 41 for 1 yard (94-J.Smith).

3-6-GB 41 (5:12) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 88-J.Finley (53-N.Bowman).

4-6-GB 41 (5:07) 8-T.Masthay punts 52 yards to SF 7, Center-61-B.Goode, fair catch by 19-T.Ginn.


Right at the beginning of the fourth quarter the 49ers score again to increase their lead. SCORE SF 38 - GB 24

OK.... We have a whole quarter and are down 14 points. Two possessions !

Green Bay Packers at 14:57

Fourth Possession of the second half:

2-D.Akers kicks 60 yards from SF 35 to GB 5. 18-R.Cobb MUFFS catch, and recovers at GB 8. 18-R.Cobb to GB 11 for 3 yards (57-M.Wilhoite).

Did you remember that one?

1-10-GB 11 (14:51) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 85-G.Jennings to GB 18 for 7 yards (53-N.Bowman). Caught at GB 17. 1-yd YAC

2-3-GB 18 (14:26) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 88-J.Finley to GB 27 for 9 yards (52-P.Willis). Caught at GB 27. 0-yds YAC

1-10-GB 27 (13:58) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 85-G.Jennings to GB 32 for 5 yards (22-C.Rogers, 38-D.Goldson). Caught at GB 29. 3-yds YAC

2-5-GB 32 (13:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 88-J.Finley to GB 34 for 2 yards (53-N.Bowman, 31-D.Whitner). Caught at GB 30. 4-yds YAC

3-3-GB 34 (12:53) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 87-J.Nelson to GB 44 for 10 yards (29-C.Culliver). Caught at GB41. 3-yds YAC

1-10-GB 44 (12:17) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 83-T.Crabtree.

2-10-GB 44 (12:10) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 26-D.Harris to GB 49 for 5 yards (52-P.Willis). Caught at GB 46. 3-yds YAC

3-5-GB 49 (11:43) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to 85-G.Jennings.

What if .... that pass had connected !? Can you still see that play?

4-5-GB 49 (11:37) 8-T.Masthay punts 44 yards to SF 7, Center-61-B.Goode, downed by GB-10-J.Ross.

Again in this half. Our offense didn't get it done.

Unfortunately, as we saw it got worse for us on the scoreboard !

Some might say that the turning point in that game was the Jeremy Ross bobble. If you do, I ask this question:

How did Colin Kaepernick and the San Francisco 49ers respond to the Sam Shields 'pick six'? Didn't they put alot of points up on the board? How did they respond to us scoring? Didn't they counter with a score?

At what point did MM and those in charge of the Green Bay offense forget that this game was all about 'shootout'?

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Final Analysis:

Passing 'short here and short over there' wasn't going to cut it MM.

This was 'a one shot' playoff game MM. Yup a huge game where your players entered it looking like sheep and left it looking like shocked sheep.

Another huge game MM that your team 'chocked on'......AGAIN !

GO PACK GO ! I don't see it.

Give me a break on that one. We need to see alot more changes than a Defensive Co-ordinator, ' Dom Capers scapegoat move', before I can realistically write:

GO PACK GO !

[Bossman641]

Our recievers are not able to get open, besides cobb. The catches by JJ and sometimes finley are miraculous, they are not even close to being open. I wonder if the size of the ego is a factor in the amount of effort.

i think it's much simpler than that. SF dropped 7 or 8 into coverage on nearly every pass attempt. It's hard for 4 or 5 wr/te/rb to shake the coverage of 7 or 8 defenders, especially with a defense as talented and well-coached as SF.

[mraynrand]

I think the offense was OK. If the defense had given them a few more series before being down by two TDs, they probably would have put up a TD or two more. Against SF's defense, that's pretty good.

[woodbuck27]

I think the offense was OK. If the defense had given them a few more series before being down by two TDs, they probably would have put up a TD or two more. Against SF's defense, that's pretty good.

The Green Bay Packer Offense 'Official Excuse':

Woulda,Coulda,Shoulda.

The defense gave us a TD with Sam Shields pick. 31 points minus 7 for that defensive TD = 24 Points

The San Fran 49ers 'virtually' allowed us to get our last TD ! The Pass from Aaron Rodgers to Greg Jennings for a TD!

24 Points minus 7 for 'that gift' = 17 points.

Translation:

Our offense was hardly on fire.

[mraynrand]

Translation:

Our offense was hardly on fire.

No shit. That's why they needed more touches in the second half. They were playing one of the two best defenses in football, you fool. 600 yards surrendered, TOP overwhelmingly in SF's favor. The Packer offense isn't good enough against top flight physical defenses to have to score TDs on most possessions. I can't believe how foolish it is for some idiots to blame this loss on the offense. 600 yards - 600 - surrendered by the defense and idiots blame the offense. Sheer stupidity.

[pbmax]

No shit. That's why they needed more touches in the second half. They were playing one of the two best defenses in football, you fool. 600 yards surrendered, TOP overwhelmingly in SF's favor. The Packer offense isn't good enough against top flight physical defenses to have to score TDs on most possessions. I can't believe how foolish it is for some idiots to blame this loss on the offense. 600 yards - 600 - surrendered by the defense and idiots blame the offense. Sheer stupidity.

I agree their defense did them few favors though it did give them two 3 and outs in the second half.

But the offense put 17 points up when the game was undecided. Shields INT and the garbage time TD, just as in the first game, don't reflect the true nature of the O performance. I am not saying the D was better than the O, but the O failed as well.

[rbaloha1]

The offense has been a bit inconsistent all season. This game was no different.

It seems to have been close all year, but never able to get over the hump. Constantly changing WRs and RBs didn't help, but even early on something was missing.

It seemed to come and go, almost possession by possession. They would either go three-and-out, or drive the length of the field, be it 50 yards or 85 yards. Rarely did they seem to get a first down or two, then stall and punt.

Agreed. 2011 can not be duplicated again. This season was too herky jerky.

[mraynrand]

I agree their defense did them few favors though it did give them two 3 and outs in the second half.

But the offense put 17 points up when the game was undecided. Shields INT and the garbage time TD, just as in the first game, don't reflect the true nature of the O performance. I am not saying the D was better than the O, but the O failed as well.

After they tied it up at 24 all, how many chances did they have? They had two and then it was 38-24 late in the fourth. So yes, they failed on those two drives. Most offenses, even good ones, need more than that to draw even, especially when playing maybe the best defense in football. If the defense had allowed say 350 yards instead of a record 600, or if they had held Kap to say 75 instead of a record 180 rushing yards, or held SF to 28 points, instead of 45, or kept TOP even remotely equal instead of 38-22, then I'd say this offense failed. Compared to week one, I'd say they played better. I think in retrospect, if Stubby had known how bad the defense would collapse in the second half (it was bad enough already in the first half), he might have gone for it instead of kicking the GF, and gone on that other 4th down as well.

In summary, I think it's insane to look at the offense as even a minor cause of this loss.

[mraynrand]

BTW, I only see one three and out in the second half for the GB defense, then three TD drives, then the kneel down

[Bossman641]

BTW, I only see one three and out in the second half for the GB defense, then three TD drives, then the kneel down

Yep.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...visional-games

Kaepernick, meanwhile, had about the best possible game you can have after throwing a pick-six on the opening drive of the day. San Francisco had nine subsequent competitive possessions, and they turned out pretty well. The Niners had one three-and-out, a 47-yard drive that ended with a punt, a 48-yard drive on a short field for a touchdown, a 62-yard drive for a field goal, and five drives of 80 yards or more that each produced touchdowns. It's close to impossible to do better than that.

Offense never had a chance

[pbmax]

After they tied it up at 24 all, how many chances did they have? They had two and then it was 38-24 late in the fourth. So yes, they failed on those two drives. Most offenses, even good ones, need more than that to draw even, especially when playing maybe the best defense in football. If the defense had allowed say 350 yards instead of a record 600, or if they had held Kap to say 75 instead of a record 180 rushing yards, or held SF to 28 points, instead of 45, or kept TOP even remotely equal instead of 38-22, then I'd say this offense failed. Compared to week one, I'd say they played better. I think in retrospect, if Stubby had known how bad the defense would collapse in the second half (it was bad enough already in the first half), he might have gone for it instead of kicking the GF, and gone on that other 4th down as well.

In summary, I think it's insane to look at the offense as even a minor cause of this loss.

In a game where you score on your last drive of the half and then watch them race back down to trump your tying TD with a last minute FG, I would base my entire second half on the idea that we might not be able to stop them and simply have to outscore them. M3 loves to count on underperforming units to snap back to par (see 2009 offense, 2011 defense, Crosby, Finley, Jones) but the defense was getting smoked.

It did not look like the Packer D was going to be able to pull off another pick 6 and CK was clearly more than they bargained for. Fear, the good kind and not panic, should have settled in. Your offense scored 17 points in the first half and it wasn't enough. Their offense scored 24 and that included handing the opposition a score off a TO. TOP was terrible but its a two way game. How many long drives did the Packers have?

The Packer offense had a bigger challenge than the 49er offense. But it did not rise to the occasion.

I don't think this was a call to the no huddle, five wide offense. It was a call to go back to what had worked and take all chances on down and distance. This entire game is evidence the Packers weren't ready for what was coming. People always love to scream that coaches don't adjust and this is usually malarkey. But in this case, I am not sure they had an adjustment they could trust to turn to.

[wootah]

he might have gone for it instead of kicking the GF

Yet another side effect of having Erik Walden on your team.

[mraynrand]

In a game where you score on your last drive of the half and then watch them race back down to trump your tying TD with a last minute FG, I would base my entire second half on the idea that we might not be able to stop them and simply have to outscore them. M3 loves to count on underperforming units to snap back to par (see 2009 offense, 2011 defense, Crosby, Finley, Jones) but the defense was getting smoked.

It did not look like the Packer D was going to be able to pull off another pick 6 and CK was clearly more than they bargained for. Fear, the good kind and not panic, should have settled in. Your offense scored 17 points in the first half and it wasn't enough. Their offense scored 24 and that included handing the opposition a score off a TO. TOP was terrible but its a two way game. How many long drives did the Packers have?

The Packer offense had a bigger challenge than the 49er offense. But it did not rise to the occasion.

I don't think this was a call to the no huddle, five wide offense. It was a call to go back to what had worked and take all chances on down and distance. This entire game is evidence the Packers weren't ready for what was coming. People always love to scream that coaches don't adjust and this is usually malarkey. But in this case, I am not sure they had an adjustment they could trust to turn to.

And? So you are saying the Packers realize their defense was sucking in the worst way, and had to compensate with taking chances on down and distance. I think they actually did some of that - like the bomb attempt to Jennings that just missed. But they didn't risk the two fourth down attempts that might have helped them lose by 7-10 instead of the 3 TD slaughter until garbage time. They moved the ball reasonably well against the best defense in the NFL, they just didn't have enough chances.