The Level-Headed Thread About the Defense.

[pbmax]

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/201...l-redskins-rg3

[denverYooper]

Now watch the Packers pick up Tebow and teach him how to throw .

[pbmax]

Roman (49er OC) apparently has met with Ault even before CK to discuss this offense. He did it as OC of Stanford with Luck as his QB.

[pbmax]

6h Aaron Nagler @Aaron_Nagler
RT @smartfootball: Had fun convos today with some college coaches laughing about the GB/SF game. GB was awful
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6h Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
@Aaron_Nagler @smartfootball How so?
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler Bottom line, to give up most playoff yards the 49ers have ever had in their storied history is a bad day on defense
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@TortiousTroll @Aaron_Nagler I think that's one reason why SF used it so much, as Rodgers was fairly hot and wanted to keep scoring
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@Tre9er Yeah, I think they just went to it as it was clear GB had no answer plus it was a playoff game and felt need to outscore Rodgers
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@Aaron_Nagler @RapSheet Can't do that vs SF as they use the pistol and change around blocking schemes and use the FB/TE on the arc stuff
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6h Joey Ickes @JIckes1
@smartfootball @aaron_nagler @rapsheet I think the arc stuff is what may make it viable longer term. Hard to dissect it till QB is gone...
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6h Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
@Aaron_Nagler @smartfootball How so?
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler Said reminded them of college Ds defending read game 10 years ago in terms of bad technique/no alley defender/etc
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6h Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
@smartfootball @Aaron_Nagler Oh damn. Well, it kinda did. But that's cold. Does not bode well for Dom Capers.
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler SEA's read game though is much more vanilla than what SF does. SF just throws a lot of offense at you
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6h Aaron Nagler @Aaron_Nagler
@smartfootball @RapSheet Found it interesting that Wilson didn't keep it once against ATL. Edge was there to be had. Kept giving it to Lynch
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
.@Aaron_Nagler @RapSheet SEA ran zone read one way all year, never moved RB presnap/etc. ATL keyed formation, sat and forced give & squeezed
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6h David Agostino @Dave_agger
@smartfootball how does SF run its read option? More diverse?
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6h Kevin Walsh @Walshmobile
@smartfootball @Aaron_Nagler @RapSheet Need that Arc Block!
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@Dave_agger Check this out: http://www.sbnation.com/longform/201...l-redskins-rg3 … - a lot of "arc" stuff. Arc guy will even read the DE whether to block or bluff him
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6h David Agostino @Dave_agger
@smartfootball so to say that atlanta has "solved" pistol b/c they limited Seattle would be very inaccurate? SF different animal
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@Dave_agger That's my opinion
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
.@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler To be fair, GB hadn't seen anything like this all year and SF only uses it situationally - a lot to prepare for
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6h Tre Faaborg @Tre9er
@smartfootball funny how ignorant so many are to Kap's usage. Read option was tiny play-package most of year.
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@Tre9er Yeah, I think they just went to it as it was clear GB had no answer plus it was a playoff game and felt need to outscore Rodgers
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6h Bart Hubbuch @HubbuchNYP
@smartfootball GB saw it the week before, actually. Joe Webb ran the read option the first couple of drives for Minnesota.
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6h Tre Faaborg @Tre9er
@smartfootball and conversely ATL is probably pulling every R.O. play they can find of 49ers...and Harbaugh probably won't use it Sunday.
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@HubbuchNYP Yeah but Vikes slapped it in their playbook last minute. SF has had it in package all year and much more sophisticated w/ it
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler Biggest advantage for the NFL is the hesitation it puts on DEnds. They can't crash on 1st/2nd down passing
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler SEA's read game though is much more vanilla than what SF does. SF just throws a lot of offense at you
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler ATL played the read stuff well but got hurt in man coverage w/ Wilson scrambles and then found open guys vs zone
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6h Aaron Nagler @Aaron_Nagler
RT @smartfootball: Had fun convos today with some college coaches laughing about the GB/SF game. GB was awful
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6h Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
@Aaron_Nagler @smartfootball How so?
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler Said reminded them of college Ds defending read game 10 years ago in terms of bad technique/no alley defender/etc
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6h Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
@smartfootball @Aaron_Nagler Oh damn. Well, it kinda did. But that's cold. Does not bode well for Dom Capers.
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler A lot of it was just bad technique, hesitation, no LB scraping and then no secondary support.
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6h Aaron Nagler @Aaron_Nagler
@smartfootball @RapSheet That last part is really apparent on the tv copy so far - SFs wideouts did a great job on the perimeter.
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6h Matt Koth @mattkoth
@smartfootball @rapsheet @aaron_nagler enough for a change at DC? Dom hasn't ever seemed to "adapt" in game
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6h Aaron Nagler @Aaron_Nagler
RT @smartfootball: Had fun convos today with some college coaches laughing about the GB/SF game. GB was awful
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6h Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
@Aaron_Nagler @smartfootball How so?
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler SF has a very nifty scheme as their FB/H-Back actually reads the DEnd like the QB does - very tough to defend
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler Were confident NFL DCs will be on the phone all offseason with their buddies in college and will be tougher next yr
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6h Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
@smartfootball @Aaron_Nagler Guaranteed.
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler Biggest advantage for the NFL is the hesitation it puts on DEnds. They can't crash on 1st/2nd down passing
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6h Darren Page @DarrenPage15
@smartfootball @RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler pick out the guy you can't block anyways (Clay Matthews in this case) and make him almost useless
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6h John Carpenter @carpy5024
@smartfootball @rapsheet @aaron_nagler NE is set up to defend read option well. Their D ends are big and athletic. OLBs are too.
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@carpy5024 @RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler Somehow I don't expect New England to just look completely befuddled. Key will be inside running on gives
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@RapSheet @Aaron_Nagler Said reminded them of college Ds defending read game 10 years ago in terms of bad technique/no alley defender/etc
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@mrZ2uSON @ECStoner @LanceZierlein A bit of a project so not a top round guy but I liked him well enough at ARZ. Not real big right?
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@Aaron_Nagler Said GB defending read stuff reminded them of college Ds like 10 years ago. Confident NFL Ds will get much better next year
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@ECStoner @LanceZierlein I think biggest danger to the change are injuries but also next year's QB crop is weak
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@ECStoner @LanceZierlein NFL DCs no doubt on phone today and all offseason w/ their buddies in college though. Much of it is technique
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6h Lance Zierlein @LanceZierlein
I don't expect most NFL types to agree w/ what I'm saying regarding offense, but its happening. The farm system (college) is set up that way
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6h Eric Stoner @ECStoner
@LanceZierlein From the old @smartfootball site -----> http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/20...oes-every.html …
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@ECStoner @LanceZierlein Change is fun. Had fun convos today with some college coaches laughing about the GB/SF game. GB was awful
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@mjbarone21 @siwashmatt Ultimately it's less of a "scheme" thing or "outsmarting" than technique. GB was like a bad JV team out there
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6h Smart Football @smartfootball
@mjbarone21 @siwashmatt SEA had a very limited zone read package. SF's much more diverse and advanced. ATL played it sound technique wise...
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[denverYooper]

You missed the one where he mentions he was on the phone with college coaches who were having a good laugh about GB's ineptitude.

[pbmax]

You missed the one where he mentions he was on the phone with college coaches who were having a good laugh about GB's ineptitude.

Yeah, its buried in there somewhere. Twitter as long form conversation recording stinks.

[rbaloha1]

So they should change the DC, all coaches and the 11 starters? Is anything else "over analyzing" and/or "rationalizing"?

Check out pete carroll and the seahawks and the roster moves made. something like only 8 players remain form the original team.

It can be done.

[Joemailman]

Check out pete carroll and the seahawks and the roster moves made. something like only 8 players remain form the original team.

It can be done.

Sure, but they weren't 2 years removed from a Super Bowl win when they started to clean house.

[Guiness]

Check out pete carroll and the seahawks and the roster moves made. something like only 8 players remain form the original team.

It can be done.

Next year and the one after will be interesting in the evolution of this sort of an offense, to see if it peters out.

My gut tells me that while there seem to be a few QBs out there that can run, none of them will last long, or at at least play in that style of an offense long. You just can't expose someone with a QBs build to the pounding. Vick has laster longer than any one else at it. RGIII, I'm guessing, won't be doing much of it next year. So maybe Kaepernick lasts two seasons? Three? At the outside, I don't see him running around like that 5 years from now.

Talking heads bring up 'franchise QB' so often because stability at that position is important. You can't have that if you wear them out that fast.

[rbaloha1]

If you say so then it must be true.

That is right hotshot -- deal with it

[rbaloha1]

I guess it is fair to compare last season to a singe game. Any additional discussion is over analyzing. Nobody is saying the defense shouldn't be improved. You could acknowledge other people's views and carry on a discussion or you can dismiss them out of hand with one liners about "over analyzing" and "cronies." I think it is obvious which course of action is most productive.

What is most productive? Shakespeare siloquoies?

[denverYooper]

What is most productive? Shakespeare siloquoies?

Is that like a speech about a grain elevator?

[rbaloha1]

Is that like a speech about a grain elevator?

Yes -- assuming there is grain in the elevator.

[Patler]

Check out pete carroll and the seahawks and the roster moves made. something like only 8 players remain form the original team.

It can be done.

Well of course it can be done, TT did it with the full roster when he first came to GB. He also started the process again this year on defense, adding nine new defensive players to the roster. With the four from last year and holdovers like Matthews, Raji and Pickett, the question is are they well into the rebuild, or did they miss the mark so that they have to start over?

I'm not sure we have a good idea what they have in players like House, Perry and even a FA like Richardson because of their injuries. Some who played. like Worthy, Daniels and others could come back a lot better players in 2013.

So, do you need to blow-up the defense and start over, or expect the natural development of the 10-14 going into their 2nd and 3rd years and add 4 or 5 new players for next year?

[mraynrand]

expect the natural development of the 10-14 going into their 2nd and 3rd years and add 4 or 5 new players for next year?

I like this view a lot. Still, I also like the view of firing a few coaches too. Recall the famous Jack Welch business model when he was CEO of GE. You periodically get rid of the lowest 10% or so of your performers - it works generally as motivation to perform and it works to get rid of the garbage and maybe bring in some really talented fresh blood. How about a college assistant from a school that effectively runs the read option? Hint, hint.