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  • Your 2013 Green Bay Packers

    The Packers have some holes but are still the top of the class in the NFC North in 2013. The Vikings have gotten better on defense but offensively they are still a one trick pony. The Lions probably have the most talent but will remain an underachieving team under Schwartz. The Bears are under new coaching so I think they take a step back regardless who takes over.

    Offensively the Packers will undoubtedly lose Greg. Jennings, and Don Driver. At this point they don't have anyone on the roster to take the place of Finley so he will stay at least through train camp. The Packers still have "Statmaster" Aaron Rodgers at qb. He is a top three chucker r in the league, but has now turned in two spotty playoff loses in two consecutive seasons. He will sign an extension some time in 2013 for close to 120 million and stay in Green Bay even longer than he should. He is elite, and even though he will lose important cogs to his success he will continue to lead this team to the playoffs. If fans trust Thompson then know that Thompson will go to the wall to find weapons for Rodgers.

    The Packers will likely spend one or two picks in the upcoming draft on receivers. I don't expect a first round selection unless a highly rated tight end like Tyler Eifert drops to them in the first round. The Packers real need on offense is a durable running back that can attack defenses. Two names come to mind. The Packers could go with a pure runner like Eddie Lacy, or go with a back with an all around pedigree like Monte Ball. If Lacy eats up the clock in his 40 expect him to be a top 30 pick. Ball at best will be a low second, unless he drops a sub 4.5 at the combine. Wisconsin fans would love to see Ball in green and gold. Either would pair well with holdovers in Smith and Green. Green has shown some ability, and Who knows what the Packers have in Smith. Starks should be gone, and Benson will be gone, or should be gone.

    The Packers offensive line is sort of in flux. The have two book end tackles that are just "ok" in Barklay and Newhouse. Both are suitable starters, but lets be honest better back ups. Sherod who hasn't shown a thing will be back after missing 2012 with a broken stick. Bulaga can't stay healthy, that hip isn't good, but he is an above average right tackle in the NFL. If the Packers drafted an offensive tackle in the higher rounds I wouldn't be surprised. Interior linemen is another story, Lang and Sitton are above average by NFL standards and will be locks to begin the season as part of the starting lineup. But EDS has only been given a small sample as a starter and for what he has given I would only use pencil to write his name down amongst the starters. The Packers could take a long hard look at Barrett Jones from Alabama. He has started every position along the offensive line and has excelled at each, he will be an offensive linemen with a high value to the offensive system where offensive linemen carry more value based on the multiple positions they can play.

    Defensively the Packers can bring back everyone they choose to from a defense that hovered in the top half of all defenses in 2012. Most likely Charles Woodson will be cap causality at 10 million dollars. He might restructure and come back for a lower number. His play and injury concerns at this point in his career just don't equal 10 million dollars. He brings leadership to the defense and still has great instincts, but the athleticism just isn't there any more. His body just can't do the things his brain tells him to. The Packers have two young safeties in Jennings and McMillian, but both are shorter and haven't proved assignment sure in 2012. The Packers could look early in the draft to find Woodson's replacement. Burnett is fine at the other safety position, he is poor man's Nick Collins. The Packers should have one of the better cover units in the NFL with four corners that could be considered starters in Williams, Shields, House, and Heyward. The Packers probably won't address cornerback in the draft.

    The Packers were thin all year at inside linebacker, losing both Bishop and Smith early to injury. Hawk had his best season in the Dom Caper 3-4 defense. It obvious now that Hawk will never live up to his billing as the 5th over all pick in the 2006 draft, but he held up and was steady in the run game, especially in the early and middle part of the year. Hawk isn't a player with enough instinct and fast twitch muscle to make plays consistently and without the help of defensive linemen taking up blockers. The worst thing about Hawk is that he is blockable. Most drafts don't have great depth at inside linebacker including this one. If Hawk is cut to save cap space expect to see Bishop and Smith start the year.

    Outside linebacker is a key position in the 3-4. Mathews is one of the great players in the NFL right now. He is Kevin Green, LT type player off the edge. The Packers drafted nick Perry in the last draft and the kid showed a lot of promise working the line of scrimmage before getting his wrist mangled. He showed be back and he should be an anchor in the run game at the point of attack. Moses showed flashes considering he was in drafted, but he needs to get bigger, and study film in the off season to enhance his instincts. Walden is just a guy. I have never been impressed with him, simply he is a mental midget and can't do anything but rush up field. He is stiff and simply not worth another contract. Zombo is as equally bad. Packers need to improve their depth with athetic guys that can hold the edge , but also have the speed to beat the ball carrier to the sideline.

    On the defensive line the Packers are no better off than at the end of last season. Pickett is broken down, Raji continues to play too many snaps, and Wilson can't move past the line of scrimmage on passing plays. Mike Neal has shown flashes as a pass rusher, but he needs to not be suspended or injured for an entire season. The guy is athletic, and has a tremendous build, but he needs for everything to click. The Packers spend an early pick on Worthy, but with a severe injury suffered at the end of the season it will take a remarkable comeback for him to be completely healthy at the start of camp. It is a shame because Worthy has the tools and ability to succeed in the NFL but he really needed this offseason to mature into an NFL quality defensive linemen. With Pickett nearing the end and Raji under performing the Packers might want to address getting a big body upfront. The good ones go fast in the NFL draft so the might have spend a first round pick for a quality player in John Jenkins, or Kwan Short from Prudue.

  • #2
    i don't know about drafting a running back high.

    woodbuck mentioned in the other thread that we need a decent RB

    i think we already have a decent RB, we just don't have a coach who knows how to use any running back. m3 said time after time that he needed to commit to the run, so we come out running, and doing it just fine, only to see him eventually give up on the run and start throwing non stop

    if we had AP on this team, m3 would be sending him out on passing routes not handing him the ball

    unless or until our coach actually changes his philosophy and not just talks about doing it, then i think any draft picks or money spent on a RB is just a waste

    m3 is not the kind of coach that is gonna give any running back 2 or 300 carries a year

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    • #3
      If Thompson feels like the Packers need a talented back, I think McCarthy will get the message.

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      • #4
        i don't know

        thats a pretty thick fat head on that guy

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        • #5
          Thanks Deputy:

          Read it and get it. Overall it's a solid assessment of where our team stands.

          On Offense:

          We need a backup QB.

          We must stick with the basic need we have in the trench's. TT must upgrade our OL. That means 'NFL ready' early round pick (s) and / or look aggresively at a FA. The way that Aaron Rodgers plays QB he needs time.

          I don't expect much will be done at the RB position. That position simply never seems to be a priority. We've got part time Starks and Green and 'the little man, big heart' Dujuan Harris. I will be surprized if Ryan Grant remains with us next season. He was an emergency move or insurance policy.

          I hope that Ted Thompson can somehow retain WR Greg Jennings by whatever means possible. It doesn't matter that he may not be pleased being franchised. Greg Jennings is our NO. 1 WR, and we need his best services next season. That leaves Jordy Nelson, James Jones and Randall Cobb and we need to see someone else develop.

          With all the TE's on the roster TT will hope that something works out there. JerMichael Finley. He has one more season to get it right or maybe he's traded.

          On Defense:

          I believe that TT will sit on our secondary. Allow another season of maturity. The problem I see with our present secondary is size and the physical qualities needed to handle the strongest WR's. Too bad they all can't tackle like Sam Shields. I see promise in Casey Hayward...a nice pick by TT.

          If TT see's an opportunity to grap an outstanding FS in the draft; I hope he rings that bell. We need a solid, fast hard hitting man in the middle.

          If TT is going to look for help at the LBer position in the draft he won't do so early. He might invest his top draft pick in a strong/fast man for the middle of our DL. A defensive lineman that can penetrate the backfield and certainly allow rest for BJ Raji, as that fella is going to burn out fast.

          AJ Hawk isn't going anywhere. I have hope for Nick Perry and that adversity doesn't affect him next season. He needs to develop. There's concern that Desmond Bishop may not get it back together. Dezman Moses needs time. Brad Jones isn't popular but he trys hard and makes tackles. The rest...pffffft !

          On the Sad News Front:

          I agree that Charles Woodson needs to take a pay cut or leave. He's been a great acquisition for us. It may be goodbye to Charles Woodson and Donald Driver.

          GO PACK GO !
          ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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          ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
          ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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          • #6
            who the hell is the RB Smith? You know, Brandon Saine will return next year to save the entire offense.
            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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            • #7
              Originally posted by red View Post
              m3 is not the kind of coach that is gonna give any running back 2 or 300 carries a year
              Grant had 312 carries in 2008 and 282 in 2009. It's kind of hard to do that when guys keep getting hurt. Packers had 5 different guys start at RB this year, and it was all due to injuries, not performance or offensive philosophy.
              I can't run no more
              With that lawless crowd
              While the killers in high places
              Say their prayers out loud
              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
              A thundercloud
              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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              • #8
                RBs in Green Bay are injury prone!
                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                  Grant had 312 carries in 2008 and 282 in 2009. It's kind of hard to do that when guys keep getting hurt. Packers had 5 different guys start at RB this year, and it was all due to injuries, not performance or offensive philosophy.
                  Not too mention that McAllister carried the ball for seasons of 325 carries, 351 carries and 269 carries while MM was the OC in New Orleans.

                  Our RBs are horseshit. Anyone who claims that we have capable RB talent really hasn't watched enough NFL games that do not involve the Packers. The fact that a guy who was SELLING CARS can walk on our team in December and look better than anyone else did all year should speak VOLUMES to where our talent level at the position truly stands.

                  MM would run the ball if he had anyone worth a damn to hand off to. He doesn't...and that is squarely on TT, who places zero value on the RB position.
                  It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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                  • #10
                    Do you think Stubby said: "Please oh please, TT, get me a RB?" and TT said: "I place zero value on the RB position so Fuck you" ? just asking
                    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                      Do you think Stubby said: "Please oh please, TT, get me a RB?" and TT said: "I place zero value on the RB position so Fuck you" ? just asking
                      No...Thompson said "I'll get you Cedric Benson 2 weeks prior to the start of the season". Which to me is the same as "I place zero value on the RB position"
                      It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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                      • #12
                        What's needed for the Packers to improve is to get more physical offensive and defensive linemen, and to completely remake the Linebacking corp.

                        I don't expect either to happen. The Packers are a finesse team - that isn't going to change.

                        Capers is going to stay, so even if TT brought in some beef with attitude, Capers only wants 2 DL on the field at a time anyway - that isn't going to change. And on offense, MM has no interest in lining up in the I and running it down anybody's throat. Our running game is an afterthought function of the passing game and always will be.

                        As for the Linebacking corp, Perry and Bishop will be back and pencilled in as starters... Hawk is your other starter. Again, not much will change there either. Maybe they make a move with Hawk, but I doubt it... I fully expect our front seven to be misused by Capers again anyway.

                        TT will draft another 15 rookies; last year's draft class will be expected to step up and contribute more; and we'll be essentially the same team next year that we were this year - only younger.

                        The Packers have no interest in playing physical football on either side of the ball - that isn't going to change.
                        wist

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                        • #13
                          Why are you guys focusing on RB??

                          The Packers don't care about the position - and they don't draft OL that can run block. Running the football begins up front on the OL, and the Packers only care about pass pro - and they don't even do that well.
                          wist

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                          • #14
                            For someone who isn't a fan you sure do pay a lot of attention to the Packers. Please give me your outlook on the 2013 Jacksonville Jaguars next.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wist43 View Post
                              What's needed for the Packers to improve is to get more physical offensive and defensive linemen, and to completely remake the Linebacking corp.

                              I don't expect either to happen. The Packers are a finesse team - that isn't going to change.

                              Capers is going to stay, so even if TT brought in some beef with attitude, Capers only wants 2 DL on the field at a time anyway - that isn't going to change. And on offense, MM has no interest in lining up in the I and running it down anybody's throat. Our running game is an afterthought function of the passing game and always will be.

                              As for the Linebacking corp, Perry and Bishop will be back and pencilled in as starters... Hawk is your other starter. Again, not much will change there either. Maybe they make a move with Hawk, but I doubt it... I fully expect our front seven to be misused by Capers again anyway.

                              TT will draft another 15 rookies; last year's draft class will be expected to step up and contribute more; and we'll be essentially the same team next year that we were this year - only younger.

                              The Packers have no interest in playing physical football on either side of the ball - that isn't going to change.
                              In your opinion, are they significantly less physical now than they were 2 years ago when they (Gasp!) won the Super Bowl?
                              I can't run no more
                              With that lawless crowd
                              While the killers in high places
                              Say their prayers out loud
                              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                              A thundercloud
                              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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