THE draft thread (2013 version)

[run pMc]

Peter King thinks after all the attempts to trade down, a bunch of teams will try to trade up into late first early second to grab QB at better value

Yeah, I think this is the most likely scenario...I can't see teams taking a QB in the first half of R1 outside of Geno Smith, and that's a maybe. I could see the top-ranked QBs still there in the mid-20's and a team trying to trade up.

Hypothetical example: Some (IMO lazy) predictions have BUF taking Nassib because he played for the coach...I can't see them taking him at #8, but could see them trading their R2 and another pick to get back into late R1 to take him. If GB decided to play trading partner I'd be ok with that for the extra depth picks.

[3irty1]

Taking Nassib at #8 isn't that much different from Ponder at 12 IMO.

[3irty1]

Part of me wants to load up on offense and try 2011 again. In 2011 nobody could call a running play against us because running wouldn't save you. You had to pass to keep up and we couldn't stop the pass. Hence, the 2012 draft.

Now maybe we could. We have Perry, Hayward, a couple of better Safeties than Peprah. I think I'd still want an OLB with our first round pick just to injury proof that spot but then get a couple of deep threat receivers and make it rain again. Team philosophy: Pass and stop the Pass.

[wist43]

Part of me wants to load up on offense and try 2011 again. In 2011 nobody could call a running play against us because running wouldn't save you. You had to pass to keep up and we couldn't stop the pass. Hence, the 2012 draft.

Now maybe we could. We have Perry, Hayward, a couple of better Safeties than Peprah. I think I'd still want an OLB with our first round pick just to injury proof that spot but then get a couple of deep threat receivers and make it rain again. Team philosophy: Pass and stop the Pass.

3irty1, we're the ones who can't keep up.

Hell, we even had a lead in the 2nd quarter against the Niners - then they got rolling, and we were punked and embarrassed the rest of the game. They pushed us around far too easily - can't fix that by drafting a WR.

Teams have figured out how to slow our passing game down, and our defense can't stop anybody. We can't run the ball, and we can't stop the run - or pass.

Rodgers was sacked 51 times, and the OL can't run block to save their lives. Our front seven is a complete disaster; and, given the strikeout rate of draft picks, TT would have to draft exclusively front seven guys for the next 2 years just to field a reasonably competent defense - which we do not have now.

Pickett is near the end, I'm sure Raji wants out, and the other guys are miscast in the roles they've been handed.

The problems with the Green Bay Packers are numerous and can't be fixed in one, or even two, drafts.

[wist43]

I think we could get back to contender status pretty quickly if TT targetted the trenches on both sides of the ball and got us shored up on both lines - but I don't expect that to happen.

TT will keep doing what he's been doing, and we're as likely to get a WR, QB, and RB in the first 3 picks as we are to get any help in the trenches.

[3irty1]

3irty1, we're the ones who can't keep up.

Hell, we even had a lead in the 2nd quarter against the Niners - then they got rolling, and we were punked and embarrassed the rest of the game. They pushed us around far too easily - can't fix that by drafting a WR.

Teams have figured out how to slow our passing game down, and our defense can't stop anybody. We can't run the ball, and we can't stop the run - or pass.

Rodgers was sacked 51 times, and the OL can't run block to save their lives. Our front seven is a complete disaster; and, given the strikeout rate of draft picks, TT would have to draft exclusively front seven guys for the next 2 years just to field a reasonably competent defense - which we do not have now.

Pickett is near the end, I'm sure Raji wants out, and the other guys are miscast in the roles they've been handed.

The problems with the Green Bay Packers are numerous and can't be fixed in one, or even two, drafts.

Of course we couldn't keep up, you don't think improving the offense will lead to more scoring? because I thought that was implied. I guess the underlying concept I'm floating out there is: It might be easier to get the offense back to 2011 levels than it would be to get the defense back to 2010 levels.

The OL is going to improve no matter what we do but it wouldn't be hard to get the Line back to 2011 levels or better. The loss of Jennings would be the toughest to overcome. I like Randall Cobb but I don't consider him the same kind of big play threat as 2011 Jennings.

Just humor me and say you could give the offense enough of a shot in the arm to produce near that level again even if it was all luck or sorcery or whatever. I agree with you that we'd still get our shit pushed in come the playoffs if we only have Clay Matthews off the edge again. Perry could be enough but I'd rather have the position be 3 deep like it was for the Ravens and Giants. That's a winning recipe.

[pbmax]

Yeah, but the offense's output has varied far more widely than the defenses overall. Packers still never looked like pre-Cheifs offense except for the Texans game this year. They are going to need to figure out how to pass against 2 deep, non-blitzing coverage.

[3irty1]

I think we could get back to contender status pretty quickly if TT targetted the trenches on both sides of the ball and got us shored up on both lines - but I don't expect that to happen.

TT will keep doing what he's been doing, and we're as likely to get a WR, QB, and RB in the first 3 picks as we are to get any help in the trenches.

At this time last year you were saying you'd be "Shocked" if Thompson drafted for defense. Your narrative last year was that the Packers are basically the Colorado Rockies of football, i.e. they don't care about winning they just want to hit home runs and let the fans drink.

[3irty1]

Yeah, but the offense's output has varied far more widely than the defenses overall. Packers still never looked like pre-Cheifs offense except for the Texans game this year. They are going to need to figure out how to pass against 2 deep, non-blitzing coverage.

Certainly didn't help that we barely had Jordy and Jennings on the field at the same time. Those are our big play guys. A better than 50% capacity year from Finley would go a long way towards passing in those 2-deep situation. He and Cobb together could take whatever they wanted in the middle of the field.

[RashanGary]

I think we could get back to contender status pretty quickly if TT targetted the trenches on both sides of the ball and got us shored up on both lines - but I don't expect that to happen.

TT will keep doing what he's been doing, and we're as likely to get a WR, QB, and RB in the first 3 picks as we are to get any help in the trenches.

I know in 2006, TT was looking at Haloti Ngata pretty hard. People thought it was a reach at that time, but it turned out to be a huge mistake not taking him over Hawk. Since then, TT has drafted Justin Harrell, BJ Raji, Clay Matthews, Bryan Bulaga, Derrek Sherrod and Nick Perry in the first round. 4 of those guys are either DT's or OT's. The other two are 3-4 outside backers.

I think TT values big bodies, and for some reason, I think we're going to draft a big guy you're happy with tonight. This draft is deep in the trenches. The first round has a lot of big OL going early in the first round and enough DL talent to last all the way to 26 most likely. There might be a skillplayer TT values, but if it comes down to it, TT has said god only makes so many 300 pound men who can move. I think he knows those guys are rare and you have to take them with your first round picks.

[RashanGary]

I heard from a co-worker that TT is gay. He said he heard it years back, that he likes wieners. That's kinda creepy, picturing TT in a lockerroom of 19-21 year old boys. Icky. He even looks like a weirdo

[RashanGary]

Yeah, but the offense's output has varied far more widely than the defenses overall. Packers still never looked like pre-Cheifs offense except for the Texans game this year. They are going to need to figure out how to pass against 2 deep, non-blitzing coverage.

Yeah, that or run the fucking ball, right?

[Freak Out]

Harrell....you are already debauched aren't you?

[RashanGary]

Just repeating what I heard. I never believe it when people say it on the internet, but when someone you know says it and believes it. . . I don't know, it's not like it matters, but I thought it was hilarious to hear someone say it outside of the internet. I laughed my ass off.

[RashanGary]

Elam is 5'10". Sanders was 5'8". I think Elams size is overblown. He carries plenty of weight and he plays really tough.