THE SOFT Sally's MUST get TOUGHER

[Pugger]

Purple Drank? No thanks.

[Patler]

What's Johnny Jolly's status? I would certainly consider seeing if he has gas left in the tank. He had some nastiness.

I kind of figured that 2012 was his last chance. He's now been away for three full years, no games, no practices, no professional training facilities. He'll be 30 years old in February.

[Smidgeon]

Burnett, MD Jennings, AJ Hawk and Brad Jones are your who's who among ho-hum players in the NFL. Not one guy is even good, let alone great. They range from average (Hawk) to below average (Burnett, Jones) to bad (McMillan.)

I disagree with most of this list. I think Hawk is above average, Burnett is good (one of two NFL players to play every snap on defense...one reason his missed tackles are higher is because of more opportunities; it will be a good year for him next year), and McMillian is incomplete. He was a rookie and appears to have a lot of potential. Brad Jones is below average when you compare him to an all around linebacker. But if you compare him to pass coverage linebackers or to 3rd string linebackers, he's well above average.

[QBME]

I kind of figured that 2012 was his last chance. He's now been away for three full years, no games, no practices, no professional training facilities. He'll be 30 years old in February.

You could be right about the lack of professional activity precluding a return to form, but if (a mighty big if) Goodell reinstates him, I would like to see what he could do in training camp. Not much of a risk to bring him in for 30 days and have the coaches see if there is enough left. They don't really need to worry about potential, as they know what he was/is capable of. If he is reinstated the Packers will have to decide whether to bring him in or release him. I'm confident there is more than one team out there that would give him a look see.

[mraynrand]

I kind of figured that 2012 was his last chance. He's now been away for three full years, no games, no practices, no professional training facilities. He'll be 30 years old in February.

fresh legs!

[mraynrand]

I kind of figured that 2012 was his last chance. He's now been away for three full years, no games, no practices, no professional training facilities. He'll be 30 years old in February.

Hey, go easy on us old-timers!

[Fritz]

That was the point I was making, the Packers are that team, as are a few other teams, frequent appearances with not a lot to show for it. Perhaps the Packers are at the upper level of that group, with a single SB appearance, but the recent SB win is in danger of becoming the "fart in the wind" that Wolf spoke of regarding his SB team.

The glaring thing about the Packers in recent playoff history, is the number of rather embarrassing losses, games in which they have not competed well and others in which they did compete, but then screwed up in somewhat embarrassing fashion to lose. Then, of course, the first ever playoff loss at Lambeau which turned quickly into multiple playoff losses at Lambeau.

But, that is still better than those teams who make the playoffs only sporadically, and those who make it only rarely.

Farts in the wind....all we are is farts in the wind.

Everything is farts in the wind.

Nobody said it quite like Kansas.

[denverYooper]

But who is not a fart in the wind these days? No one has really been that dominant to win multiples since the early 2000's Pats. Then you have Pittsburgh with 2 in 4 years under different HCs (though LeBeau and Horton were both on the D staff) and the Giants under 1 HC but pretty different staffs. Green Bay is still in that ballpark and I'd like to see how it goes with a season of healthy starters.

Maybe San Fransisco, but they still have to win this year. We don't yet know if they're just the next iteration of the 'ought Eagles and won't know that for a couple of years. There are a lot of things unknown - how will they fare when they lose coaches, players walk for bigger contracts, they sustain more injuries, etc.

[mraynrand]

Farts in the wind....all we are is farts in the wind.

Everything is farts in the wind.

Nobody said it quite like Kansas.

we'll just keep the sharp objects out of your reach