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  • #76
    The defense was soft for sure this season, I think we missed Bishop more than we think. Having him back next season along with Nick Perry who I think will eventually excel at his position should add to a better run defense. I also think its time to let go of Hawk, sign a veteran FA on the defense line, and hopefully spend our first 3-4 picks on defense.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
      The defense was soft for sure this season, I think we missed Bishop more than we think. Having him back next season along with Nick Perry who I think will eventually excel at his position should add to a better run defense. I also think its time to let go of Hawk, sign a veteran FA on the defense line, and hopefully spend our first 3-4 picks on defense.
      Listen to McGinn talk about Bishop. He agrees that Bishop will make a huge difference. http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/187765171.html

      With both Bishop and D.J. Smith coming off serious injuries, I think it will be seen as too risky to release Hawk this year. Hawk survives another year, although he could become a part time player if he doesn't play well. I think Packers draft DL in the 1st or 2nd round this year.
      I can't run no more
      With that lawless crowd
      While the killers in high places
      Say their prayers out loud
      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
      A thundercloud
      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
        Listen to McGinn talk about Bishop. He agrees that Bishop will make a huge difference. http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/187765171.html

        With both Bishop and D.J. Smith coming off serious injuries, I think it will be seen as too risky to release Hawk this year. Hawk survives another year, although he could become a part time player if he doesn't play well. I think Packers draft DL in the 1st or 2nd round this year.
        Won't be hard to find a cheaper replacement for Hawk.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Pugger View Post
          It will be very interesting to see how we handle Woodson this offseason. This is going to be a delicate situation. Here we have a sure fire HOF player who clearly is past his prime. How do you tell him to hang up his cleats without insulting the man if he feels he can still contribute?
          For starters, see if you can talk him into a retirement press conference. A few tearful and emotional goodbyes in front of the media. Should be clear sailing after that.

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          • #80
            I also wouldn't mind if they signed/drafted a FB who excels at run blocking. I'm tired of us throwing it on 3rd and short because we don't trust our run game. I would still keep Kuhn of course, but just don't like him much as a run blocker.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
              I also wouldn't mind if they signed/drafted a FB who excels at run blocking. I'm tired of us throwing it on 3rd and short because we don't trust our run game. I would still keep Kuhn of course, but just don't like him much as a run blocker.
              Yea, Quinn Johnson looked the part was too inconsistent.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
                The defense was soft for sure this season, I think we missed Bishop more than we think. Having him back next season along with Nick Perry who I think will eventually excel at his position should add to a better run defense. I also think its time to let go of Hawk, sign a veteran FA on the defense line, and hopefully spend our first 3-4 picks on defense.
                How many years is going to take to find the right mix of defensive players? Gee Whiz TT.

                Hawk has had 2 years of 0 impact plays. Soar off Hawk.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                  How many years is going to take to find the right mix of defensive players? Gee Whiz TT.

                  Hawk has had 2 years of 0 impact plays. Soar off Hawk.
                  Well, they did just win the Super Bowl 2 years ago. The difference between 2010 and 2012 isn't Hawk. The difference is that they haven't replaced Nick Collins whose career ended unexpectedly, and last year they lost Bishop, as well as his backup. If they can draft a top notch Safety, they're not very far away from having a very good defense again.
                  I can't run no more
                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                  A thundercloud
                  They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                    Well, they did just win the Super Bowl 2 years ago. The difference between 2010 and 2012 isn't Hawk. The difference is that they haven't replaced Nick Collins whose career ended unexpectedly, and last year they lost Bishop, as well as his backup. If they can draft a top notch Safety, they're not very far away from having a very good defense again.
                    Yes, and I'd add another good pass rusher on the D line and/or more speed at LBer.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                      Well, they did just win the Super Bowl 2 years ago. The difference between 2010 and 2012 isn't Hawk. The difference is that they haven't replaced Nick Collins whose career ended unexpectedly, and last year they lost Bishop, as well as his backup. If they can draft a top notch Safety, they're not very far away from having a very good defense again.
                      Agree. And I think we could do it a number of other ways (if we found star power at another spot.) The absolute ideal player for me, on this D, would be Nick Collins. Unfortunately, he was the best at what he did in the league when we had him. IMO Nick Collins is the most underrated GB Packer of the last 5 years or so.
                      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by pbmax View Post

                        Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                        I'm not at the point yet where I think the Packers need a high draft pick to be competitive, but there is an argument to be made that having an off year can net you a blue chipper; we'll just ignore AJ Hawk for sake of this argument.
                        Or, like the 49ers, Buccaneers or Lions, just be terrible for a decade to collect talent.
                        Seems to be more the Minnesota m.o...... sell out on the FA route once you reach competitiveness to get over the playoff-loss hump, fail miserably, then suck for 3-5 years and stockpile young talent until the team becomes relevant again.
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                        • #87
                          IMO, a problem with some GMs and coaches is that they have pressure to show immediate results or else they are out the door. This prohibits them from focusing on what is best for the long term success of the team. It is rather like a government in which the politicians are so focused on getting reelected in two years that long term planning is impossible.

                          The Packers won their division, won a playoff game and lost the the eventual NFC champion, and we are all calling it a "down" year. I'm not 100% satisfied unless they win the SB, but I sure as hell hope they don't overreact to one game and stay the course for the long haul.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                            It is rather like a government in which the politicians are so focused on getting reelected in two years that long term planning is impossible.
                            FYI, please
                            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                              FYI, please
                              An excellent job of ignoring the context. Bravo.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                                An excellent job of ignoring the context. Bravo.

                                QFT - you catch on real fast
                                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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