Finley, Williams & Hawk

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The funny thing is, the only year that Hawk had primary responsibility for defensive signals was 2010, which was also the best year they have had defensively for quite a while. Players and coaches both credited his ability in that area frequently during that off-season. In 2011 and 2012 he has played less, and the coaches have given the headset to others who will be on the field more, including Jones this past year when he became a starter.

So, maybe there is something to his abilities as a defensive signal caller?????

Also had a consistent pass rush that year. Probably the best they've had since the last Super Bowl.

If hawk is that good with the radio then he'd have it on all three downs. Capers wouldn't have given it to the third guy on the depth chart that had no experience playing where he was.

[Patler]

Also had a consistent pass rush that year. Probably the best they've had since the last Super Bowl.

If hawk is that good with the radio then he'd have it on all three downs. Capers wouldn't have given it to the third guy on the depth chart that had no experience playing where he was.

The problem is that he doesn't play well enough to be on the field for all three downs. If his playing ability was good enough to be on the field, I suspect he would have the headset.

What it really indicates is that the coaches do not value it all that highly, because they are willing to shuffle the responsibility around to whichever player, no matter how inexperienced he is, will be on the field the most at ILB.

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The problem is that he doesn't play well enough to be on the field for all three downs. If his playing ability was good enough to be on the field, I suspect he would have the headset.

What it really indicates is that the coaches do not value it all that highly, because they are willing to shuffle the responsibility around to whichever player, no matter how inexperienced he is, will be on the field the most at ILB.

I think the controlling factor there is not experience but number of radios they can have. There are only two per side of the ball in a game, right? So its an ILB and safety in order to be sure there are always two people hearing the calls on every down as much as possible.

[Patler]

I think the controlling factor there is not experience but number of radios they can have. There are only two per side of the ball in a game, right? So its an ILB and safety in order to be sure there are always two people hearing the calls on every down as much as possible.

...and they chose two who will be on the field for the most snaps. Hawk lost the headset when he became a two down linebacker. Brad Jones got it when he became the one who stayed on the field in the most situations.

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...and they chose two who will be on the field for the most snaps. Hawk lost the headset when he became a two down linebacker. Brad Jones got it when he became the one who stayed on the field in the most situations.

Agree about the snaps. Its one of the reasons I think the praise of Hawk as calm and clear headed is fine, though essentially constitutes faint praise considering other things a LB could be doing.

I don't think he lost the radio is '10 though, did he? Maybe I missed it. I thought he lost in last year when he was hurt and then had to hand it over to Smith. Or was it Bishop who lost it last year to Smith?

[Patler]

My recollection is that Hawk handled it mostly in 2010 after Barnett went out. It was during and after 2010 that he got the most praise. In 2011 both Hawk and Bishop had headsets, but Bishop was taking over, because he was on the filed more. This year it was Smith, then Jones who handled it. I think Burnett was the second one this year, wasn't he?

[pbmax]

Yes on Burnett. Fuzzy on Bishop/Hawk switchover only because of his injuries. Smith did get the radio when both Hawk and Bishop went down in '11, but don't remember who took it back.

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Well, it looks like Finely said he wouldn't take a pay cut. He did say that he was open to restructuring his contract though, but he says that he hasn't been contact by the team. His Roster bonus of 3 mil takes effect on March 27th.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8998146/jermichael-finley-green-bay-packers-says-accept-pay-cut

[Guiness]

Well, it looks like Finely said he wouldn't take a pay cut. He did say that he was open to restructuring his contract though, but he says that he hasn't been contact by the team. His Roster bonus of 3 mil takes effect on March 27th.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/89...accept-pay-cut

I haven't got a text asking me to take a pay cut or to restructure my deal at this point -- not at all

I wonder how often the Packers restructure a contract by sending the player a text

[Tony Oday]

Bye Bye Finley. You cant get $8 million anywhere else and if someone does pay you they are, well, dumb.

[woodbuck27]

Flat out !!

J. Finley has to restructure and give the PACKERS some salary cap relief or find a pay check with some other team. That man has to swollow his ego. He's making too much money compared to the rest of our team in terms of his returns. It's time to call his bluff as he's not worth the money he'll be paid if we retain him at the end of March.

Maybe TT can engineer a trade that involves JF but the bottom line is the hit his contract places on our CAP in terms of his production.

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I don't blame him for taking a hard line in the press. It's a negotiating tactic a lot of players use.

[pbmax]

Bye Bye Finley. You cant get $8 million anywhere else and if someone does pay you they are, well, dumb.

The speculation is that he just might be able to get that on the open market. Or come close. The TE Free Agent market is pretty slim. Its always a risk, but he stands a reasonable chance of getting paid well. The average of his deal might match this year's cap number, but he would get money upfront and in Year 1 that was comparable to his current situation.

[RashanGary]

I thought Jones did a better job than Hawk taking on and shedding blocks. He also plays faster and better coverage. If Hawks big claim to fame is taking on blockers, I think Jones should have his spot.

[Fritz]

I wonder how often the Packers restructure a contract by sending the player a text

I heard that Ted broke up with Brent via text. Although it's also possible Ted will pass Jmike a note under the desk that says "Will you take a pay cut? _____Yes. _____No. ______Maybe so."