Derek Sherrod Health Speculation

[woodbuck27]

Here is one analysis based upon bust vs. non-busts:

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftology408_1.php

Probowl Analysis:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...isappointments

Good find...Thanks.

[woodbuck27]

An interesting point is that the walterfootball article has Hawk listed as a bust.

What a shocker.

[3irty1]

Bust rates by position from most likely to least likely is roughly:

QB (~55% bust rate)
Passrushers (~47% bust rate)
WR (~47% bust rate)
DT (~43% bust rate)
RB (~42% bust rate)
CB (~38% bust rate)
LB (~30% bust rate)
TE (~25% bust rate)
OT (~21% bust rate)
S (~8% bust rate)
OG/C (~0% bust rate)

[Freak Out]

interesting mocks on the Walter site.

[pbmax]

Newhouse's limitations are not physical. He may be short but he plays with great length. He's got 34 inch arms. The reason he failed at guard is the same reason Sherrod did, he plays too long to uncoil out of a stance as required by a guard. He's not undersized either, listed at 319 and his workout numbers are nothing short of fantastic. I feel like some on here view Newhouse as a guy who's getting by on effort and what little savy and technique he's got but I think its closer to the exact opposite. He's the left-tackle version of Allen Barbre.

If this read is true, then JH might have a good technique argument for his possible improvement.

But if he truly has 34 inch arms, then I wonder what his chest/wingspan is compared to Sherrod. Because when I watch them pass block (not an entirely fair comparison because DS's game action came at RT where the defender isn't likely to be as quick) I see Sherrod comfortably get to his pass set and wait to catch that rusher, even one handed, and then lock on for good. You might prefer more of a punch, but even on the defensive, which I took to be a default technique when he was not sure what to expect out of his guy, he got locked on. Without film and repeated viewings, it has all the hallmarks of physical dominance, at least in pass blocking.

Newhouse gets to his guy, using his quick feet to recover if his set isn't right, but never seems stay in control. He doesn't seem to recover and then regain control. He is reduced to pushing his guy only. He seems either a half second late or not strong enough to stop an initial push he doesn't expect. Tauscher used to get into that position against speed but then he hung on like he was coated in epoxy. And his guy could never get clean or away. He might flush a QB at worst, but because Tausch had him, the QB could choose an escape route and get a clean break. Newhouse ruins the comparison by giving up early. This got better last year but he still failed to follow his guy through. That motor turns off too quickly.

To me, Newhouse plays in a narrower window. A defender has more space to effectively get past him regardless of cause.

Sherrod still has to prove he can run with the pass rushers on D's right side. His first couple of snaps against Washington saw him get worked but he very much settled down despite the focus clearly being on him. He needs to not simply wait but be ready to punch when he has an opening. He also had problems with a couple of assignments in the preseason games. But those things I expect to see any player improve upon with more playing time.

[woodbuck27]

Bust rates by position from most likely to least likely is roughly:

QB (~55% bust rate)
Passrushers (~47% bust rate)
WR (~47% bust rate)
DT (~43% bust rate)
RB (~42% bust rate)
CB (~38% bust rate)
LB (~30% bust rate)
TE (~25% bust rate)
OT (~21% bust rate)
S (~8% bust rate)
OG/C (~0% bust rate)

OK then that should inform us:

Let's turn.... LB's; TE's; OT's; OG/C's; S's and CB's

Into: QB's; WR's; RB's; DT's and DE/OLB Pass Rushers.

All we need is a really good nutrionist, cooking staff and awesome trainers.

[woodbuck27]

interesting mocks on the Walter site.

Your intriguing us. What are you seeing that's very good... Packers?

We need something very positive or don't report it.

[3irty1]

If this read is true, then JH might have a good technique argument for his possible improvement.

But if he truly has 34 inch arms, then I wonder what his chest/wingspan is compared to Sherrod. Because when I watch them pass block (not an entirely fair comparison because DS's game action came at RT where the defender isn't likely to be as quick) I see Sherrod comfortably get to his pass set and wait to catch that rusher, even one handed, and then lock on for good. You might prefer more of a punch, but even on the defensive, which I took to be a default technique when he was not sure what to expect out of his guy, he got locked on. Without film and repeated viewings, it has all the hallmarks of physical dominance, at least in pass blocking.

Newhouse gets to his guy, using his quick feet to recover if his set isn't right, but never seems stay in control. He doesn't seem to recover and then regain control. He is reduced to pushing his guy only. He seems either a half second late or not strong enough to stop an initial push he doesn't expect. Tauscher used to get into that position against speed but then he hung on like he was coated in epoxy. And his guy could never get clean or away. He might flush a QB at worst, but because Tausch had him, the QB could choose an escape route and get a clean break. Newhouse ruins the comparison by giving up early. This got better last year but he still failed to follow his guy through. That motor turns off too quickly.

To me, Newhouse plays in a narrower window. A defender has more space to effectively get past him regardless of cause.

Sherrod still has to prove he can run with the pass rushers on D's right side. His first couple of snaps against Washington saw him get worked but he very much settled down despite the focus clearly being on him. He needs to not simply wait but be ready to punch when he has an opening. He also had problems with a couple of assignments in the preseason games. But those things I expect to see any player improve upon with more playing time.

I feel like he gets out of control because of poor balance from taking false steps. He often has to resort to lunging or giving ground which is what I think makes him look like he plays small. Some of it he could fix with better technique and experience but I feel like some of the problem is just his style. He sees himself as too much of a catcher in pass pro and doesn't dictate the actions of smaller and weaker players when the opportunity is there.

[RashanGary]

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[sharpe1027]

Newhouse ruins the comparison by giving up early. This got better last year but he still failed to follow his guy through. That motor turns off too quickly.

To me, Newhouse plays in a narrower window. A defender has more space to effectively get past him regardless of cause.

This is the best explanation I have heard yet, and I agree. While Newhouse has cut down on the number of wiffs because he almost always slows down the defender, he struggles to maintain his blocks for any length of time.

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This is the best explanation I have heard yet, and I agree. While Newhouse has cut down on the number of wiffs because he almost always slows down the defender, he struggles to maintain his blocks for any length of time.

i seem to remember a lot of this too

blocks his guy to the out wide, then lets him go, allowing the pass rushing to still get pressure

[Joemailman]

I went back and read some scouting reports on Newhouse from when he was a draft prospect, and they all mention his weakness of not finishing blocks. I get the sense that's just the way he is, and significant improvement is unlikely. I also remember reading that one of his arms is shorter than the other. If that's true, I wonder if that is an impediment to him maintaining physical contact with the defender.

[Guiness]

i seem to remember a lot of this too

blocks his guy to the out wide, then lets him go, allowing the pass rushing to still get pressure

So he's more of an inconveniencer than a blocker?

[Pugger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taaxYtUsefo

[Carolina_Packer]

Other famous busts include Dolly Parton



and Venus De Milo