Packers Still Too Soft

[rbaloha1]

You know I wish Nutz were here but the fact that those guys are coming in fat in April is an expected thing. Pro DT like that have no doubt been on a weight lifting regimen all offseason. I believe strength comes before conditioning. They have more than double the amount of time they'd need to get in football shape still.

fat and tough is not good.

[rbaloha1]

I wonder what Bob thinks about the Packers getting taller, but less heavy Jones --> Worthy

How does that affect soft small?

tall generally means the ability to carry more weight.

worthy knew he needed more weight but regressed due to the injury.

jones needs to add more weight in order to be a 3 down player or else he is another neal.

The toughness part is more important. First the dude is from Compton which automatically brings toughness. Second, played for a tough minded (granted a prick) head coach at UCLA.

Third, the packers appear to be emphasizing this mindset with defensive picks as evidenced by quotes coming from his mouth early into the interview. IMO this is not fake tough stuff. Collectively with Matthews, Bishop, Pickett and perry the defensive mindset is changing. The niner game questioned the packer toughness and it is being addressed. Is it a facade? Game one answers many questions.

[3irty1]

I'm not sure what nfl nose tackles do for offseason training but boxers first focus on maxing out muscle mass, which always comes with fat because of the high calorie diet. Aerobic workouts during this time are considered counterproductive. Then a couple months before their fight they switch gears to more aerobic workouts and the fat they gained disappears as does some of their muscle mass but this unbalanced approach is much more effective for achieving balanced strength and conditioning.

Pickett and Raji's "fight" isn't for 3 more months. So if they are on a similar pattern (which Nutz could provide some speculation on) having some flab at this point would not just be expected but a good thing. They would still have enough time to train for a marathon or go through army basic so I think this is just more McGinn being McGinn.

[rbaloha1]

Big guys usually bulk up in the off season.

At least TT is addressing a big problem. Hopefully more d-line picks that are tough, productive and possess the correct size -- not a tweener and not overweight.

[Joemailman]

McGinn is making a big deal about Pickett Raji and Jolly showing up supposedly out of shape. Pickett regularly shows up above his targeted weight, and I don't think anybody was expecting Jolly to show up looking like Julius Peppers. Not sure about Raji but 3irty1 is right. The important thing is where they are at physically when they show up for training camp. Jolly is playing for a contract, and Raji and Pickett are in a contract year, so they shouldn't lack for motivation.

[rbaloha1]

It is April. From my experiences fat guys usually use training camp to get in shape which is not a good thing.

Do you think the Packers org is happy with the current fatties?

Fatties do not help against modern nfl offenses. Maybe in traditional offenses.

it is comical for posters consoling each other after mcginn makes you guys look foolish.

[Joemailman]

It is April. From my experiences fat guys usually use training camp to get in shape which is not a good thing.

Do you think the Packers org is happy with the current fatties?

Fatties do not help against modern nfl offenses. Maybe in traditional offenses.

it is comical for posters consoling each other after mcginn makes you guys look foolish.

You are right. It is April. But training camp is in July. If Raji and Pickett show up in July at 350, that will be an issue. But I don't think that will happen.

[rbaloha1]

You are right. It is April. But training camp is in July. If Raji and Pickett show up in July at 350, that will be an issue. But I don't think that will happen.

the older you get the more of a problem it becomes.

[pbmax]

You are right. It is April. But training camp is in July. If Raji and Pickett show up in July at 350, that will be an issue. But I don't think that will happen.

That is the beauty of McGinn's paraphrase. We don't know what condition they actually showed up in. Pickett was over apparently, how much, we don't know. Raji looked like Pickett. What does that mean, was Bob talking to a carnival sideshow weight guesser?

Without something specific like a quote, we need to see them.

[rbaloha1]

Typical over scrutinizing.

Going out to eat chop suey.

[3irty1]

Typical McGinn fear mongering to advance his manufactured narrative. You'd almost think it was his job to sell papers or something the way he peddles to reactionaries and sensationalists.

[Zool]

Typical McGinn fear mongering to advance his manufactured narrative. You'd almost think it was his job to sell papers or something the way he peddles to reactionaries and sensationalists.

Bingo

[rbaloha1]

Typical McGinn fear mongering to advance his manufactured narrative. You'd almost think it was his job to sell papers or something the way he peddles to reactionaries and sensationalists.

rather than nit pick why don't do some neddle point.

[rbaloha1]

Typical McGinn fear mongering to advance his manufactured narrative. You'd almost think it was his job to sell papers or something the way he peddles to reactionaries and sensationalists.

where is fear mongering? if you were packer management given the niner debacle and part of the cultprits were currently pigs how would you react?

tt is doing something about it. looked at 2 d-linemen in free agency and drafted another one. lets hope for more plus another ilb and a banging safety.

[Patler]

The entire organization is on a rampage against injuries, and rightly so.
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Don't expect the Packers to fool around with any players in this draft who are even borderline medical risks. Health was every bit as vital as size and toughness when the Packers assembled their draft board.
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A red flag for Jones is the broken foot that required surgery and sidelined him for the entire 2010 season.

So they picked a guy who has a foot being held together with screws.