Packers Still Too Soft

[3irty1]

CJ Wilson has been as productive for us as the guy everyone wanted in Chris Canty?! He might not be a standout but lineman in a 2-gap scheme rarely are. Valuable guy given his paycheck IMO, another one of him is exactly what I want in this draft. We're in total agreement in John Jolly circa 2009 though. Wish we had 3 guys like that.

I'm not saying Jesse isn't a potato with toothpicks I just thought it was a funny description. Williams certainly has a barrel chest and his arms seem to be disproportionately short compared this his legs. I'm asking because I've heard people describe your Williams as top heavy.

[Fritz]

I think drafting a more traditional 2-gap nose tackle - maybe in the middling rounds? - would be good for this team, as would one more defensive end - maybe in rounds one or two or three?

[3irty1]

If I wanted to improve the defense today as much as possible and only had 1 high pick to do so I'd want an OLB. We've already got 2 high round picks but I don't care. The position is important enough to warrant injury proofing it. It would allow us to move Clay around and make him more of a centerpiece and it would allow us to always have fresh legs rushing the passer. The Giants won two superbowls that way and the Ravens just got one too. Comparatively we've not been able to get production out of anyone but Clay Matthews.

I'm secretly hoping we draft Jarvis Jones tomorrow. I think he'll fall but I wonder if he's even on the Packers draft board with his spine thing given how conservative we are with that sort of thing.

[Fritz]

If I wanted to improve the defense today as much as possible and only had 1 high pick to do so I'd want an OLB. We've already got 2 high round picks but I don't care. The position is important enough to warrant injury proofing it. It would allow us to move Clay around and make him more of a centerpiece and it would allow us to always have fresh legs rushing the passer. The Giants won two superbowls that way and the Ravens just got one too. Comparatively we've not been able to get production out of anyone but Clay Matthews.

I'm secretly hoping we draft Jarvis Jones tomorrow. I think he'll fall but I wonder if he's even on the Packers draft board with his spine thing given how conservative we are with that sort of thing.

He's one of those guys that seem like he'll go in the teens of the first round. Probably the damn Giants will get him.

[3irty1]

He's one of those guys that seem like he'll go in the teens of the first round. Probably the damn Giants will get him.

I think he could be this years Bowers. Wouldn't be shocked if he falls all the way out of the first or something because of his health thing.

[Fritz]

Really? I see this differently - he'll go in the mid to late teens or early twenties and the talking heads will crow that somebody - Giants, Bears, Queens - got a steal.

[rbaloha1]

Rich coming from someone who wants a writer to come save his argument. Why don't you post your own work?

If you watch so much tape, post some clips. Gather some data. Do something other than complain about everyone else.

You are the one calling him out -- mcginn did my research and i trust it.

You are the arrogant one calling his methodology and thesis bogus.

Evading mcginn continually demonstrates your historical nonsense.

BTW football is not moneyball which casues you problems.

[rbaloha1]

I think drafting a more traditional 2-gap nose tackle - maybe in the middling rounds? - would be good for this team, as would one more defensive end - maybe in rounds one or two or three?

Do not like read and react stuff.

Know your gap, trust your teammates and follow your keys.

Capers front seven play too tentative against the option. Stopping the dive and forcing the qb to pitch is the way to play option.

1-gap all the way.

[3irty1]

Really? I see this differently - he'll go in the mid to late teens or early twenties and the talking heads will crow that somebody - Giants, Bears, Queens - got a steal.

That spine thing seems pretty serious, I mean the only reason he ended up in Georgia was because USC didn't even clear him to play. My concerns are all medical like Bowers.

[pbmax]

Stopping the dive and forcing the qb to pitch is the way to play option.

That would be terrible advice even if the 49ers ran a triple option. Which they didn't. Which makes your advice historical.

[Upnorth]

I think he could be this years Bowers. Wouldn't be shocked if he falls all the way out of the first or something because of his health thing.

If so I hope TT trades up on day 2.

[rbaloha1]

That would be terrible advice even if the 49ers ran a triple option. Which they didn't. Which makes your advice historical.

what is your advice? its basic option whether it is triple option.

please send your vodoo analysis to mcginn so milwaukee can get a good laugh.

[pbmax]

what is your advice? its basic option whether it is triple option.

There is no pitch man in the 49ers read option as run against the Patriots. Converge on the give (Gore) means Kapernick is free to roam wide and dance with a safety. And that was one TD and one other long, comeback killing, drive sustaining play.

To play an option in most cases, you must play it honest and stick to responsibilities. No over-comitting or chasing. Inside it means you tackle the dive/give and outside it means you stick with the QB (and the pitch if its a triple option). However, as the Ravens demonstrated, CK might be dangerous enough that it might be preferable to let Gore take the ball.

Previously, we discussed why Capers would start talking to college coaches. One reason he might want to is that teams that have run read option have begin to design a triple option out of that pistol. Which would be a logical next step for the 49ers this year.

[rbaloha1]

Chris Ault the father of the pistol is a consultant next year for the niners.

Unsure where you learned about the option but my coaches always preached about stopping the dive because then you limit the option. The niners sometimes have a slot act as a pitchman or CK can drop back to pass which presents many problems. Gore averaging over 5 plus yards on simple dive plays is not the way to play the option.

The key to the option on defense is dictating where the ball goes then swarming to the ball. The problem with read and react is the offense has the upper hand in dictating where the ball goes. IMO a big no no.

I have played both styles against the option and disciplined one gap with everyone on the same page imo is the best way to play the option. Its not easy against the line like the niners so the packers better find the combination of players and schemes which is currently an issue imo.

[wist43]

Was talking to rb, but do have question for you:

Do you think Raji wears down and then gets moved around in the run game, especially with double teams?

Because my memory tells me I have seen this early in the season and early in games. But then there are times where he doesn't get moved at all. I think its less getting worn down, which does happen of course same as all players, and more technique, attitude/preference for charging up the field.

Now its possible it has to do with the talent he is facing. He is clearly not as immovable as Pickett. But I suspect there is more going on here than just stamina.

Yeah, I know you were talking to rb... I was just messin' with ya

As for Raji, my preference would be to play him exclusively at 5 in a rotation, and then use him as an interior rusher in the nickel and dime. Even fresh he's not a very good 2-gap player, and I wouldn't want to play him in such a way that his greatest strength is negated - which is exactly what Capers does.

As he wears down over the course of the season, he loses his explosiveness to penetrate, and our top 10 draft pick from 4 years ago is completely neutralized. As I've said, if I were going to draw up a gameplan with the intent of neutralizing Raji, I do exactly what Capers is doing.

I don't think Capers could do a worse job of designing gameplans that seek to take advantage of the strengths of the players he's been given. If I were Raji, I wouldn't even negotiate with the Packers, I'd be counting the days until I hit FA.