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[rbaloha1]

Hard to take the Niner game and use that solely as the basis for draft philosophy.

In that game, Packers had Chuck (gone) and Walden (gone) who were consistently beat. We were also without a fair amount of personnel - Worthy, Perry, Bishop, etc. Next year's Defense will look very different either way. Yes - we need to get more DL. I still think not having a star safety is the biggest hold - Collins was sorely missed.

I think Ted will trade back in the draft and load up on picks. I'd love to see Ball in G&G if it was 3rd round or later.

Ball will not be a star - but he'll be a capable 3rd down back somewhere.

Excuse me the teams to beat are the Niners and Seahawks not the scrubs of the central.

MM obviously placed a huge importance in the niner game by forcing the entire d staff to learn how to stop option and pistol attacks. If it was a fluke MM would say something like the defense had an off day. 579 is his slogan.

Personnel and schematic wise the Packers d has big problems against option and pistol attack and thank goodness it is not downplayed.

[Fosco33]

Was I debating or agreeing with you?

Point is - we play the NFCC a guaranteed 6 games a year. You have to first win your division and then worry about the conference.

Niners had 2 weeks to prepare for an injured Pack team. And their coaches did a great job of hiding the pistol options they employed against the Pack.

Capers did adjust to the game - but CM3 was too aggressive, Raji got owned and when Walden spyed - he got juked out of his shoes.

Reason why Ravens won - their DL is superior to the Packers. But we'll get healthier and better with Jolly/Neal. We do need to replace Pickett and have an option to let Raji go. So I totally agree - we need to focus on the DL.

Ravens also have much better safeties. Which I think, as the QB of the defense, our guys just aren't communicating well enough. The best way to stop an option team - communication and execution. That's all on Capers and finding a better safeties than Jennings/McMillian/Burnett/Richardson/etc.

Safety and DL are obvious priorities.

[rbaloha1]

Was I debating or agreeing with you?

Point is - we play the NFCC a guaranteed 6 games a year. You have to first win your division and then worry about the conference.

Niners had 2 weeks to prepare for an injured Pack team. And their coaches did a great job of hiding the pistol options they employed against the Pack.

Capers did adjust to the game - but CM3 was too aggressive, Raji got owned and when Walden spyed - he got juked out of his shoes.

Reason why Ravens won - their DL is superior to the Packers. But we'll get healthier and better with Jolly/Neal. We do need to replace Pickett and have an option to let Raji go. So I totally agree - we need to focus on the DL.

Ravens also have much better safeties. Which I think, as the QB of the defense, our guys just aren't communicating well enough. The best way to stop an option team - communication and execution. That's all on Capers and finding a better safeties than Jennings/McMillian/Burnett/Richardson/etc.

Safety and DL are obvious priorities.

More excuses than answers.

Guru Capers is overrated and should have been fired after this debacle.

[pbmax]

Ravens also went to school on what not to do. They did not wait for CK to choose dive-keep. They sent Suggs and Kruger directly at him in most cases to PREVENT CK from getting outside on a keep. Colin is fast enough that even a well defended keep could break for big yardage. EDIT: Somewhere in this sentence it should have stated that the Ravens forced the give/dive by running the unblocked defender right at CK immediately, no delay to read the offense at all from first site of option.

Packers did the reverse. They tried to honor the dive and Gore and left outside contain on an island versus Kapernick's speed. Ravens did not give Colin that choice and it shut them down in the first half. 49ers adjusted and ramped it back up in the second half.

[3irty1]

There are numerous issues with current d-line:

1. Age -- Pickett imo is the best d-linemen but may have only 1-2 seasons left.

2. Uncertainity -- Love Jolly but it is unsure of how much JJ can contribute. Raji could be gone after this season. Worthy is undersized and returning from injury.

3. Destroyed at the point of attack -- Thought Raji had a chance to be Sapp like but he gets dominated too easily. Pickett and Wilson are good at holding up at the point of attack but too often can not get off blocks. Neal and Daniels are a joke against power running teams.

4. Lack of experience -- Need linemen that have experience against spread option attacks and pistol formations. Understand the angles o-linemen take in these attacks. Guru Capers does a poor job preparing the team against this stuff as per Woodson.

Last year the defensive problem was allowing more yards than anyone in the history of the NFL. Somewhat fixed

This year it is 579 (For some posters this is the equivalent of 666) Too bad -- TT shall address this with front seven players that have shown the ability to make plays against these attacks. AJ Klein, lb is touted as playing well against spread offenses.

1. Pickett's game will continue to age but should age well. He hasn't been a liability yet and isn't likely to do so this season so for 2013 Picket is the least of our concerns. If you address the DL in any way the Picket of the future problem is probably solved at the same time. Consider this point debunked.

2. Raji is unlikely to leave after the season and isn't going to command much more money than he already makes as a top 10 pick before the new CBA. Furthermore he's not even in his prime yet. Consider that part debunked. Worthy is 310 lbs, that's anything but undersized for a DE in our scheme. Most 3-4 DL play under 300 including both starters for the 49ers that everyone has such a throbbing blue-veined boner for. Absolutely debunked. JJ is clearly full of uncertainty so I agree, at least 1 DL is needed for camp for a fair fight with Jolly seeing as how Worthy is unlikely to play much in 2013.

3. I'll have to put the burden of proof for this claim on you. No single play or game is appropriate evidence of this. The games in which the Packers defense faired poorly vs the run, the DL were not the weakest link. It had a lot to do with the OLB positions losing contain (Peterson, Peterson, Kapernick) and even more to do with ridiculously poor tackling in the secondary (Peterson, Peterson, Peterson). Am I the only one that remembers Tramon Williams running away from tackles last year? He gave Peterson an MVP award by himself. Why are we even talking about the DL? Neal and Daniels are interior pass rushers and are barely on the field in running situations other than goal line fronts.

4. AJ Klein doesn't have anything to teach nfl professionals about the spread offense, especially when those pros face the best spread offense in the world in practice. As far as the option and pistol, if we need anything its coaches that are more well versed, not players. The success that offense had last year throughout the NFL transcended player inexperience, watching the games its clear the assignments were not in place for defenses to stop it. Time, preparation, new terminology, and game planning are needed.

The answer to stopping what happened against the 49ers is two-fold IMO. First and most obviously schematic preparation must be done for the read option which every team is likely doing this offseason. This is largely a matter of practicing and game planning rather than personnel. The other answer is the same as it was in 2011, 3rd down. The Packers were pounded by the 49ers because they didn't stop them on 3rd down which is 90% of being a good NFL defense. We addressed it the 2012 offseason with big additions in Perry and Worthy but neither made it through the season. We still had enough improvements on 3rd down last year to become the 11th ranked scoring defense. Daniels and Neal were productive as pass rushers on 3rd down, Hayward, Shields, and Brad Jones improved the coverage a great deal. Getting Production out of the LOLB spot can push us well into the top 10 in scoring defense.

I'm admittedly more optimistic about Jolly than most but even without him I don't see a need for more than a midround pick on the DL for depth and competition. If it just so turns out that the BPA in the high rounds is DL then great, but I don't see it as an overwhelming need. I'd rather injury proof the OLB position with a high pick or grab an NFL ready safety or starting caliber running back.

[ThunderDan]

The answer to stopping what happened against the 49ers is two-fold IMO. First and most obviously schematic preparation must be done for the read option which every team is likely doing this offseason.

Good post, the reason the pistol worked so well is the NFL hadn't seen it. In two weeks the BALT D was able to scrape together a good enough plan to win the Super Bowl with.

The pistol might be around for 2 or 3 years and then some new wrinkle will be added. I see the pistol as the new "wildcat".

[rbaloha1]

1. Pickett's game will continue to age but should age well. He hasn't been a liability yet and isn't likely to do so this season so for 2013 Picket is the least of our concerns. If you address the DL in any way the Picket of the future problem is probably solved at the same time. Consider this point debunked.

Nothing is debunked until actual play starts -- consider your point debunked

2. Raji is unlikely to leave after the season and isn't going to command much more money than he already makes as a top 10 pick before the new CBA. Furthermore he's not even in his prime yet. Consider that part debunked. Worthy is 310 lbs, that's anything but undersized for a DE in our scheme. Most 3-4 DL play under 300 including both starters for the 49ers that everyone has such a throbbing blue-veined boner for. Absolutely debunked. JJ is clearly full of uncertainty so I agree, at least 1 DL is needed for camp for a fair fight with Jolly seeing as how Worthy is unlikely to play much in 2013.

There may not be enough money to sign a fat underachiever. Consider your rhetoric debunked. Nose tackles are supposed to be able to handle double teams like a ngata. Consider your points debunked.

3. I'll have to put the burden of proof for this claim on you. No single play or game is appropriate evidence of this. The games in which the Packers defense faired poorly vs the run, the DL were not the weakest link. It had a lot to do with the OLB positions losing contain (Peterson, Peterson, Kapernick) and even more to do with ridiculously poor tackling in the secondary (Peterson, Peterson, Peterson). Am I the only one that remembers Tramon Williams running away from tackles last year? He gave Peterson an MVP award by himself. Why are we even talking about the DL? Neal and Daniels are interior pass rushers and are barely on the field in running situations other than goal line fronts.

4. AJ Klein doesn't have anything to teach nfl professionals about the spread offense, especially when those pros face the best spread offense in the world in practice. As far as the option and pistol, if we need anything its coaches that are more well versed, not players. The success that offense had last year throughout the NFL transcended player inexperience, watching the games its clear the assignments were not in place for defenses to stop it. Time, preparation, new terminology, and game planning are needed.

The answer to stopping what happened against the 49ers is two-fold IMO. First and most obviously schematic preparation must be done for the read option which every team is likely doing this offseason. This is largely a matter of practicing and game planning rather than personnel. The other answer is the same as it was in 2011, 3rd down. The Packers were pounded by the 49ers because they didn't stop them on 3rd down which is 90% of being a good NFL defense. We addressed it the 2012 offseason with big additions in Perry and Worthy but neither made it through the season. We still had enough improvements on 3rd down last year to become the 11th ranked scoring defense. Daniels and Neal were productive as pass rushers on 3rd down, Hayward, Shields, and Brad Jones improved the coverage a great deal. Getting Production out of the LOLB spot can push us well into the top 10 in scoring defense.

I'm admittedly more optimistic about Jolly than most but even without him I don't see a need for more than a midround pick on the DL for depth and competition. If it just so turns out that the BPA in the high rounds is DL then great, but I don't see it as an overwhelming need. I'd rather injury proof the OLB position with a high pick or grab an NFL ready safety or starting caliber running back.

Consider your rhetoric debunked.

[rbaloha1]

Good post, the reason the pistol worked so well is the NFL hadn't seen it. In two weeks the BALT D was able to scrape together a good enough plan to win the Super Bowl with.

The pistol might be around for 2 or 3 years and then some new wrinkle will be added. I see the pistol as the new "wildcat".

This stuff is more complex that simpleton posters.

[3irty1]

Consider your rhetoric debunked.

Very persuasive argument there. If you're not interested in evidence, either providing it or listening to it I fail to see what you get out of this forum. I understand that a trolls gotta eat but you'll probably last on this forum longer if you sprinkle in some real discussion and maintain a shred of credibility.

[rbaloha1]

Very persuasive argument there. If you're not interested in evidence, either providing it or listening to it I fail to see what you get out of this forum. I understand that a trolls gotta eat but you'll probably last on this forum longer if you sprinkle in some real discussion and maintain a shred of credibility.

Please your rhetoric is disguised as trolling nonsense.

Your trolling behavior is one of denial and apologist. Your self pro-claimed genius is laughable at best.

[rbaloha1]

Very persuasive argument there. If you're not interested in evidence, either providing it or listening to it I fail to see what you get out of this forum. I understand that a trolls gotta eat but you'll probably last on this forum longer if you sprinkle in some real discussion and maintain a shred of credibility.

what evidence do you provide except denial to 579.

579

[pbmax]

531

Number of yards given up by the Packers defense in the last game of the previous season prior to winning the last Super Bowl.

Which means of course, it is meaningless for 2013.

[rbaloha1]

531


Number of yards given up by the Packers defense in the last game of the previous season prior to winning the last Super Bowl.

Which means of course, it is meaningless for 2013.

Typical reach.

Why don't you e-mail McCarthy?

Do you guys have sex with Capers?

[3irty1]

531

Number of yards given up by the Packers defense in the last game of the previous season prior to winning the last Super Bowl.

Which means of course, it is meaningless for 2013.

pbmax, you're as thoughtful and credible of a poster as exists on this site so I urge you not to waste another keystroke on this thread. Engaging this guy as it'll only detract from your experience. Let the troll starve.

[rbaloha1]

pbmax, you're as thoughtful and credible of a poster as exists on this site so I urge you not to waste another keystroke on this thread. Engaging this guy as it'll only detract from your experience. Let the troll starve.

Go back to your orgy, mr. troll.