Is Dom.....aka.....the Dominator in the SB Year a FRAUD or has TT and/or injuries let him down

[rbaloha1]

where are the thoughtful posts?

quoting mm, "579."

[rbaloha1]

...he said when a poster used numbers to support a point.

Previously forgetting his only reply to thoughtful arguments in another thread was to post one number, over and over.

Here is a nonmeaningless number -- Packers defense ranked #31 defensing running plays outside the tackles at 7.0 yards per carry as per espn.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I am actually not a big Dom fan, not a big 3-4 fan. I hope they win the SB this year and Dom retires.

I'm pretty much in this boat. Never liked the 3-4, never will. To me the 3-4 defense is too much about trying to confuse the offense with who's dropping back and who's rushing and quite often gets too cute for it's own good. Unless you get some exceptional players in it, I don't think it works as well as a 4-3. JMO.

[rbaloha1]

Too many teams run the 3-4. It is no longer exotic with the blitz packages.

[red]

every time capers arrives at a new team they get better, then they get worse

its like a bell curve

i have no clue why it happens, but i'm pretty sure that has been the case everywhere he's been. it takes 2 or three years of improving, then they peak for 2 to 3 years, then they fall off the fucking cliff

we could be on the downside of the curve

[RashanGary]

I think the trend is even worse than that, Red. He comes in, top 5 right away for like a year or two, then they fall apart after that.

I don't know, I like him. I like both he and McCarthy. I think we have two of the best.

[red]

yeah, i think you're right JH about just how short the time frame is

maybe we should fire him for a few months, then rehire him and see if we can restart the cycle?

[wist43]

Here is a nonmeaningless number -- Packers defense ranked #31 defensing running plays outside the tackles at 7.0 yards per carry as per espn.

That's what happens when you put 2 DL on the field (on 2nd and 6), completely disregard the run, and don't hold the edge.

To TT, MM, Capers, and the Green Bay Packers as an organization - their idea of stopping the run, is to score points like crazy on offense, and force the opposition to try and keep up.

Scoring enough points that the other team abandons the run - that's not really run defense though, is it??

[rbaloha1]

That's what happens when you put 2 DL on the field (on 2nd and 6), completely disregard the run, and don't hold the edge.

To TT, MM, Capers, and the Green Bay Packers as an organization - their idea of stopping the run, is to score points like crazy on offense, and force the opposition to try and keep up.

Scoring enough points that the other team abandons the run - that's not really run defense though, is it??

That is a factor.

The bigger problem even in base defense are assignment issues -- oftentimes 2 guys are in the same gaps.

Players still mention communication breakdowns.

[wist43]

That is a factor.

The bigger problem even in base defense are assignment issues -- oftentimes 2 guys are in the same gaps.

Players still mention communication breakdowns.

The only way those things change is by dumping Capers - which I assume will happen after this next season.

As for the players, given the shoddy coaching, and bizaare non-scheme they're having to try and execute... can't blame them.

[Green Bud Packer]

every time capers arrives at a new team they get better, then they get worse

Then capers get fired so no one knows if his D's would reach heights unknown after hitting bottom. Talent over scheme anyday.

[rbaloha1]

The only way those things change is by dumping Capers - which I assume will happen after this next season.

As for the players, given the shoddy coaching, and bizaare non-scheme they're having to try and execute... can't blame them.

It does start with Capers.

TT talked about the game changing -- must be able to tackle in space.

IMO the draft supplied one gap penetrators, tough hitters and players that displayed the ability to tackle in space.

No more excuses.

Lets not forget the super bowl year, Jarrett Bush was making big plays as a defender. The football gods were certainly with us.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think the trend is even worse than that, Red. He comes in, top 5 right away for like a year or two, then they fall apart after that.

I've got it! Let's fire him, then re-hire him and he'll turn our defense into a top 5 unit for 2 years. We win a SB, then fire and re-hire him.

It's brilliant I tell you.

[Smeefers]

He also hasn't lasted that long in a team after they took that nose dive. We don't know how he would have responded if given time to continue working his philosophy. I would like to point out that he was with the steelers for years and they had a pretty solid D during most of his tenure. With capers, you know this team will be poised to create turnovers and thats the back breaker in the NFL.

Honestly, I think dom misses a highly effective woodson. As woodson declined, so did the dominance of our defense.

[rbaloha1]

Woodson free lanced too much which caused some of the problems.

Maybe everyone will be filling their gaps properly and trusting teammates the way Capers draws it up.