DATONE...

[denverYooper]

Like Worthy but gets pushed around too much. Hopefully he figures it out and adds good bulk.

He does need some more strength and savvy yet, but they rode him like a rented mule until he got injured. They have big plans for him and it was clear they wanted him to get a lot of snaps.

[denverYooper]

No doubt CW improved but is not elite -- Jones has that type of potential.

I agree.

[pbmax]

Unseating Wilson in the base D will be tough. More likely some of Raji's snaps at DE will go down first. But if Jones does it. more power to him.

[woodbuck27]

So hard to sort out just what's wrong with the line.

Individually, is anyone really unhappy with Picket or Raji's play? Raji didn't play to the level we'd have liked, but wasn't bad either. Wilson, Neale, Daniels and Worthy all seemed to do well as role players, with Neale coming on a bit. So what was the problem?

Exhaustion. Depth in terms of real experience.

End of story.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Hard to compare him to someone. . . . Justin Tuck plays a similar style game. He's young. He'll probably end up a tad heavier. I don't know if I want him heavier though. I'd like to see him keep his athleticism. He's strong. That's the important part. If you can be strong and move, that's all the better.

Yup it has to simply play out. Be as it can be.

He'll be a bonus for our DL and 'D' or not. I don't expect that he'll light it up next season ...that may arrive in time. TT used this draft for an overall focus of adding depth amd competition. More speed to our team.

TT's very pleased with this infusion of lifeblood and reservedly optimistic that he has added positively to the Green Bay Packers with his draft.

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

When asked about the value of Jones’ length (6-feet-3 7/8), Trgovac said: “First of all, when you can push the middle of the pocket and you’re longer, it’s obviously hard to throw over you as opposed to a shorter guy. If the tackles grab you nowadays, it’s easier to keep guys off you when you have length.”

Straight from the horse's mouth -- current problem with the current d-line.

"Its not always the determining factor of whether a guy can play or not but it does help." -- Mike Trgovac, very next sentence.

Length and height are great but of no use if you cannot play. Its one attribute that helps the same as strength, mobility, agility, flexibility and quickness. Plus, no one has explained how length makes you a less soft defense. Kareem Abdul Jabaar was a terrible DE in high school.

Jones, according to the Packers roster is exactly one inch taller than Neal and Wilson.

[woodbuck27]

"Its not always the determining factor of whether a guy can play or not but it does help." -- Mike Trgovac, very next sentence.

Length and height are great but of no use if you cannot play. Its one attribute that helps the same as strength, mobility, agility, flexibility and quickness. Plus, no one has explained how length makes you a less soft defense. Kareem Abdul Jabaar was a terrible DE in high school.

Jones, according to the Packers roster is exactly one inch taller than Neal and Wilson.

If you want to get down to it and Datone Jones and height:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83250&draftyear=2013&genpos=DE

His height is 6 Ft - 3 7/8 inchs

[rbaloha1]

Things do not happen in a vaccum.

It is a combination of factors -- can not line up mma guys against the niners nor can you just line up scrubs with length, size and toughness. its called having a drafting philosophy.

Bringing up Kareem Abdul Jabbar is your typical reach -- no pun intended.

[rbaloha1]

If you want to get down to it and Datone Jones and height:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83250&draftyear=2013&genpos=DE

His height is 6 Ft - 3 7/8 inchs

Thank goodness some knuckleheads are mellowing out.

[pbmax]

Things do not happen in a vaccum.

It is a combination of factors -- can not line up mm guys against the niners nor can you just line up scrubs with length, size and toughness.

Bringing up Kareem Abdul Jabbar is your typical reach -- no pun intended.

Exaggeration to make a point. Height is a secondary trait that ca assist a player. Its not as important as actually being able to play D line in the first place.

[rbaloha1]

Exaggeration to make a point. Height is a secondary trait that ca assist a player. Its not as important as actually being able to play D line in the first place.

Things are not mutually exclusive. The game is changing and current crop is not cutting it.

Tgorvac stated what they want which is currently mia. e-mail tgorvac your philosophy.

[woodbuck27]

Thank goodness some knuckleheads are mellowing out.

Whaaat ?

Never confuse accurate observation with loss of control and extremes of frustration.

PACKERS !

[pbmax]

Things are not mutually exclusive. The game is changing and current crop is not cutting it.

Tgorvac stated what they want which is currently mia. e-mail tgorvac your philosophy.

Mutualy exclusive no. But mutually available is rare. Trgo stated what they got, he did not list the priorities of his GM. Not did he discuss alternatives. And only by looking at what they choose versus what they left behind can we discern their priorities.

If the population of Defensive Ends was equal to the population of say, New York State, then everyone would have 6' 5" DEs who can rush the passer and stop the run. But the pool is very small and only the very top of the draft every year has that kind of player, with ideal physical attributes, ready to play. Even in the second round of 2012 the Packers were faced with a choice between Worthy (at 6' 2") and Devon Still. Still was 6' 5" but was not thought of as a pass rusher. They had a similar player in Wilson. They needed pass rush (I am sure Bob wrote a column last year saying the team was wringing its hand about having ignored the pass rush looking for a specific body type).

They took the shorter, heavier player for his pass rush.

Outside of Round 1, the draft is about choosing from less than ideal options. What you give up can be as important as what you get in a prospect.

But we have strayed from Bob's rant. How 1 inch of height makes a player not soft is still a question I wish someone would answer. Because if the Packers simply wanted to be taller, then his article would have been far less hysterical. If they simply wanted to be bigger and stouter they would have selected Sylvester or one of the other DTs.

My money is that they want an athlete other than Raji or Pickett at DE. We'll see in camp if they got that guy.

[rbaloha1]

Plain and simple -- Jones needs to bulk up and become a 3 down guy or it is a wasted pick.

Dude was drafted to replace CJ.

Both guys better make big contributions early or the niners steamroll us again.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I don’t really see a player who reminds me of Cullen Jenkins when watching his film. I'm not sure what to think of him, but I would compare this pick to the Nick Perry pick last year. I don't like when I read that "he could easily add 10 more pounds." Yeah so what, so could I. The question is can he 10 to 20 pounds and still do the same things he could at 280? This is very similar to Nick Perry. We drafted him at 271 and are asking him to play a position he has never played before at a weight not typically seen out of 34 olbs. How is he supposed to drop back and cover a Te or a Rb in the flat.

These are very dangerous picks to make in the first round. Both these picks don’t scream 34 DE and OLB. I have not liked TT last three first round picks at all.