DATONE...

[rbaloha1]

listed at 6-4" 285 lbs

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2552/justin-smith

http://www.49ers.com/team/roster.html

6'4" 285 lbs.

Aren't you the one challenging mcginn's weights?

Typical b.s. with nit picking nonsense.

While we are at it -- how many 3 down ends are playing at a high level at your fake 270lbs?

[mission]

Because team rosters are accurate? Hell was I was a 6'2" 200lbs high school quarterback when I barely reached 6' 185lbs. That's a pretty common "football thing".

NFLDraftScout.com has Datone at 6'4" 283lbs and that seems to be from his official combine measurements.

http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Datone&l=Jones&i=10257

So what are we arguing?

[rbaloha1]

Because team rosters are accurate? Hell was I was a 6'2" 200lbs high school quarterback when I barely reached 6' 185lbs. That's a pretty common "football thing".

NFLDraftScout.com has Datone at 6'4" 283lbs and that seems to be from his official combine measurements.

http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Datone&l=Jones&i=10257

So what are we arguing?

Hope you are right. JS sis the last time DJ was on the scale he weighed 277. TT mentioned they want DJ to gain some weight more likely their stated 295 not 270.

[RashanGary]

rbaloha1,

You can't argue with PB on the being a good football player first. TT says it all of the time. The like length. They like to be fast. But they want to be good first.

James Harrison is a 6'0" 240 lbs outside linebacker. You would rather have a 6'3" 250lbs linebacker, but if you have James Harrison in his prime, the important thing is that he's a good player.

They make great players in all sorts of heights and weights at all positions. Justin Smith is as stout as they come at DE, but he's only 285. Matt Light has been a 6'4" 300 lbs LT for a long time, and been really good at it. You'd rather have a 6'6" 330lbs guy, but before you go plugging some scrub in there, you'd rather the guy be good at football first.

You can't argue that.


It's nice that Datone is 6'4", 285lbs, runs well and moves well. If he couldn't play football though, none of it would matter. He's a good player first. Then he has those prototype things that make you feel really excited about how ideal he could be. There are a lot of 6'4" 285lbs players that I'm sure we would have taken well after Sylvester Williams. The one we did take before him, we took primarily because of his game, not because of his length. The length is a very small part of the equation. The coaches are excited about it, but when TT talks, he says yeah, he liked the length, but being good at football comes first.

[rbaloha1]

Show me any post where I advocated plugging in a 6 ft 6 330 lbs scrub over everything else.

Packers desire size and length and are upgrading in this area and YES THEY MUST BE GOOD PROSPECTS AND NOT SCRUBS.

FOOTBALL IS A GAME OF INCHES.

Look at the sarcastic posts complimenting your new rationality.

Chill out brah

[MadtownPacker]

We needed a DLineman who is into S&M.

Exactly. Some mean SOB, who plays angry. Hope this is that guy.

[woodbuck27]

rbaloha1,

You can't argue with PB on the being a good football player first. TT says it all of the time. The like length. They like to be fast. But they want to be good first.

James Harrison is a 6'0" 240 lbs outside linebacker. You would rather have a 6'3" 250lbs linebacker, but if you have James Harrison in his prime, the important thing is that he's a good player.

They make great players in all sorts of heights and weights at all positions. Justin Smith is as stout as they come at DE, but he's only 285. Matt Light has been a 6'4" 300 lbs LT for a long time, and been really good at it. You'd rather have a 6'6" 330lbs guy, but before you go plugging some scrub in there, you'd rather the guy be good at football first.

You can't argue that.


It's nice that Datone is 6'4", 285lbs, runs well and moves well. If he couldn't play football though, none of it would matter. He's a good player first. Then he has those prototype things that make you feel really excited about how ideal he could be. There are a lot of 6'4" 285lbs players that I'm sure we would have taken well after Sylvester Williams. The one we did take before him, we took primarily because of his game, not because of his length. The length is a very small part of the equation. The coaches are excited about it, but when TT talks, he says yeah, he liked the length, but being good at football comes first.

That's what I'm talkin' about.

Awesome post JH.

PACKERS !

[rbaloha1]

Bob McGinn - Mike: Datone Jones needs to be a player immediately. He must be better than any of their rushers on the D-line, and he must take quality snaps at five-technique in the base. This DL is in trouble if he isn't. The Packers drafted Jones because his prototypical size makes him so much more appealing than the other squatty, less than defined bodies they have been playing with for years. You look at the SF D-line: Ray McDonald, Justin Smith, Ricky Jean Francois, even Isaac Sopoaga. Those guys are all ripped. Granted, RJF and Sopoaga are gone now in free agency, but you get the idea. GB is trying to move away from dumpy guys. Pickett is among the very best in the league at what he has done vs. run. Raji can be very good at times. Howard Green used to be good at it. But the Packers need taller bodies with the chance to raise arms and knock down passes if they can't get there. I think it's why they took Jones over Sly Williams, who was 1 1/2 inches shorter and not as good rushing the passer. Most scouts would take Sly over Jones vs. run.

[pbmax]

Bob McGinn - Mike: Datone Jones needs to be a player immediately. He must be better than any of their rushers on the D-line, and he must take quality snaps at five-technique in the base. This DL is in trouble if he isn't. The Packers drafted Jones because his prototypical size makes him so much more appealing than the other squatty, less than defined bodies they have been playing with for years. You look at the SF D-line: Ray McDonald, Justin Smith, Ricky Jean Francois, even Isaac Sopoaga. Those guys are all ripped. Granted, RJF and Sopoaga are gone now in free agency, but you get the idea. GB is trying to move away from dumpy guys. Pickett is among the very best in the league at what he has done vs. run. Raji can be very good at times. Howard Green used to be good at it. But the Packers need taller bodies with the chance to raise arms and knock down passes if they can't get there. I think it's why they took Jones over Sly Williams, who was 1 1/2 inches shorter and not as good rushing the passer. Most scouts would take Sly over Jones vs. run.

Bob is now just talking in circles. Or maybe this comment has shown him the dead end of his logic and how he has extrapolated fan emotion to a tidbit of info and gone when no logical being has been before.

Packers know they need to get bigger and tougher. Too soft and small.
They will draft better defined bodies who are taller and not the shorter, squatter types they have drafted earlier.
Shorter squarer players are better versus the run but they need the length to get better against the pass.
Because when they lost to San Fran and Minnesota they clearly could not handle their passing game because they are soft and small.

[rbaloha1]

Bob is now just talking in circles. Or maybe this comment has shown him the dead end of his logic and how he has extrapolated fan emotion to a tidbit of info and gone when no logical being has been before.

Packers know they need to get bigger and tougher. Too soft and small.
They will draft better defined bodies who are taller and not the shorter, squatter types they have drafted earlier.
Shorter squarer players are better versus the run but they need the length to get better against the pass.
Because when they lost to San Fran and Minnesota they clearly could not handle their passing game because they are soft and small.

Without being a wiseass:
bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

[pbmax]

Without being a wiseass:
bmcginn@journalsentinel.com

I have made my case about why Bob is full of hot air on this issue.

If you wish to extend the debate feel free to make your case. But I am happy with the ground I occupy. I think myself and others have made it clear there are holes in the logic of the original piece, other available explanations for the defenses performance and the overstating of his paraphrased inside information. We have also demonstrated that there is little logic to be found in the draft about bigger and tougher and only the smallest bit of support for taller (one player, by one inch). Taller, by the way, in this case, through Bob's own words, leading to an advantage in pass defense rather than run defense.

And that run defense is how the 49ers and Vikings shredded the Packers last season.

And its kind of funny that the one area on the team that DID get bigger and WILL be on the roster in the Fall is the RB Lacy. Who plays a position not mentioned in Bob's article.

If you want to use your email to pickup info from Bob, knock yourself out. I'm good.

[rbaloha1]

I have made my case about why Bob is full of hot air on this issue.

If you wish to extend the debate feel free to make your case. But I am happy with the ground I occupy. I think myself and others have made it clear there are holes in the logic of the original piece, other available explanations for the defenses performance and the overstating of his paraphrased inside information. We have also demonstrated that there is little logic to be found in the draft about bigger and tougher and only the smallest bit of support for taller (one player, by one inch). Taller, by the way, in this case, through Bob's own words, leading to an advantage in pass defense rather than run defense.

And that run defense is how the 49ers and Vikings shredded the Packers last season.

And its kind of funny that the one area on the team that DID get bigger and WILL be on the roster in the Fall is the RB Lacy. Who plays a position not mentioned in Bob's article.

If you want to use your email to pickup info from Bob, knock yourself out. I'm good.

This stuff is from his on-line chat.

Without being a wiseass -- do you want me to forward your self proclaimed great stuff to him?

Why don-t you join in to his next on-line chat and challenge him.

Throwing tantrums does not portray you in a favorable manner -- contrary to what you believe. (Not challenging or threatening)

[MadtownPacker]

Dammit RB you are suppose to be my snitch but the way you are going I'm gonna find you dead in some alley!

[smuggler]

Okay now, idiots. If you can't convince BOBMCGINN that your argument is a good one, it's shit so stop posting it. Don't give your logical argument to me. Email it to Bobby. He's smarter than all of us.

bobbymac@jswebsite.com

*drops mic*

Also, fuck you pbmax you babbby. Stop throwing your tantrums. I'm saying this in a respectful way, so seriously... stop. Bitch. Brah.

Every post you make reads like a study in trolling and some of the rest are in the form of real, actual tantrums. You are one dense motherfucker.

[Patler]

Isn't Johnny Jolly one of those short, dumpy-bodied d-lineman McGinn finds disadvantaged? Didn't he have something like 10 pass knockdowns in 2009 in spite of being just 6'3" or whatever?

Another good one at deflecting passes from the DT spot for the Packers was Steve Warren, all 6'1" of him. Just had a knack for it.

Blocking passes has more to do with timing, effort and feel than it does with shear height.