If things go right.......

[pbmax]

Possibly. We have never seen a McCarthy offense with a consistently effective running game, so it's a little hard for me to imagine what that would do for the passing game. When I try to think about that, I have to fight against flashbacks of inconsistency: porous OL, plodding runners who go down on first contact, Rodgers holding the ball too long, receivers getting the dropsies, epidemic levels of penalties. We've seen all of those but, with the exception of 2011, we have never seen a full season where the offense wasn't hindered by at least one of them. I know you tried to define your question in tempered, realistic terms, but I submit that your hypothetical is just a pipe dream.

We have seen him with functional running attacks for a period of time, but not season over season. Grant in 2007, Starks in 2010 and Harris last year were doing just fine.

If we define 'consistently' as possible within a 6 game stretch.

If Patler's conditions are met, then this offense will break the team record for scoring in a season.

[denverYooper]

We have seen him with functional running attacks for a period of time, but not season over season. Grant in 2007, Starks in 2010 and Harris last year were doing just fine.

If we define 'consistently' as possible within a 6 game stretch.

If Patler's conditions are met, then this offense will break the team record for scoring in a season.

They could approach the 07 Pats record if things really go right.

[3irty1]

Eddie Lacy can single handedly make the Packers unrecognisable from 2011 and 2012.

[mission]

That run at 2:00 is so ridiculous. That's Jarvis Jones he spun off... and love the finish! probably watched that run 100 times since he was drafted.

[3irty1]

That run at 2:00 is so ridiculous. That's Jarvis Jones he spun off... and love the finish! probably watched that run 100 times since he was drafted.

He lowers his head before every contact. I wonder if he'll become the poster boy for the new rule.

[George Cumby]

I hear the criticism that he's a plodder. I don't see it. I see a guy who has burst and quick feet. Am I missing something?

[RashanGary]

We have seen him with functional running attacks for a period of time, but not season over season. Grant in 2007, Starks in 2010 and Harris last year were doing just fine.

If we define 'consistently' as possible within a 6 game stretch.

If Patler's conditions are met, then this offense will break the team record for scoring in a season.

Grant started 7 games in 2007, had 1000 yards, 5.1 per carry. 2008, 1200 yards and 2009 1200 yards and 11 rushing tds.


Starks has less yards in his 3 year career than grant had in his first partial season. Grant had 5 times as many rushing tds in 2009 as starks has had in his career. We were good with Grant. Starks hasnt done shit outside of one game (the eagle game). Hes somehow lasted 3 years on that one good game. Harris sucks.

[pbmax]

Grant started 7 games in 2007, had 1000 yards, 5.1 per carry. 2008, 1200 yards and 2009 1200 yards and 11 rushing tds.


Starks has less yards in his 3 year career than grant had in his first partial season. Grant had 5 times as many rushing tds in 2009 as starks has had in his career. We were good with Grant. Starks hasnt done shit outside of one game (the eagle game). Hes somehow lasted 3 years on that one good game. Harris sucks.

Starks in 2010. Detroit game was lost cause and he had 6 carries for 8 yards. Atlanta in playoff game #2 he was 25 for 66 which were mostly runs after the Packers had a monster lead and were bleeding clock. He was good enough over this seven game stretch (if you grant him the two games he missed after Detroit) to make teams pay for ignoring the run. Which was the point I was making about us having some info on McCarthy with a well performing back.

                                                Rush Rush Rush Rush
Rk            Player Age Year  Lg  Tm  G  W L T  Att  Yds  Y/A   TD
1       James Starks  24 2010 NFL GNB  7  6 1 0  110  416 3.78    1
2    Brandon Jackson  25 2010 NFL GNB 13 10 3 0  116  368 3.17    1
3      Aaron Rodgers  26 2010 NFL GNB 12 10 2 0   52  283 5.44    3

Harris is 2012, had terrible playoff game vs. Vikings were Packers were trying to bleed clock but otherwise was serviceable. Now he was not enough to pull teams out of Cover 2, but its hard to say whether it was him or the line. But the Packers went 4-2 in his hot stretch.

                                             Rush Rush Rush Rush
Rk          Player Age Year  Lg  Tm  G W L T  Att  Yds  Y/A   TD
1       Alex Green  24 2012 NFL GNB  8 7 1 0   81  299 3.69    0
2    DuJuan Harris  24 2012 NFL GNB  6 4 2 0   62  257 4.15    4
3     James Starks  26 2012 NFL GNB  5 4 1 0   66  244 3.70    1
4    Aaron Rodgers  29 2012 NFL GNB 11 8 3 0   35  174 4.97    2

[mission]

I hear the criticism that he's a plodder. I don't see it. I see a guy who has burst and quick feet. Am I missing something?

I've never read/heard that criticism. Where have you?

[Guiness]

Nice highlights against some good competition. It is true his OL opened up some nice holes, but he hit them hard.

One thing I do notice is that he seems to carry the ball loosely, even in traffic. Some of those runs he's pumping his arms and the ball is awfully exposed as he's going through the line.

[Patler]

Grant started 7 games in 2007, had 1000 yards, 5.1 per carry. 2008, 1200 yards and 2009 1200 yards and 11 rushing tds.


Starks has less yards in his 3 year career than grant had in his first partial season. Grant had 5 times as many rushing tds in 2009 as starks has had in his career. We were good with Grant. Starks hasnt done shit outside of one game (the eagle game). Hes somehow lasted 3 years on that one good game. Harris sucks.

Even the beat writers seem to continually dismiss what Grant accomplished. In what amounted to about four seasons (68 games, 53 starts), he became the 5th all-time in rushing yards for the Packers. Only Green, Taylor, Brockington and Canadeo had more yards rushing than Grant. His career average of 4.3 trailed Green and Taylor (4.5) but exceeded Canadeo (4.1) and Brockington (3.9).

[gbgary]

Even the beat writers seem to continually dismiss what Grant accomplished. In what amounted to about four seasons (68 games, 53 starts), he became the 5th all-time in rushing yards for the Packers. Only Green, Taylor, Brockington and Canadeo had more yards rushing than Grant. His career average of 4.3 trailed Green and Taylor (4.5) but exceeded Canadeo (4.1) and Brockington (3.9).

yup...grant got the most out of games he played.

[smuggler]

The shame about Grant is that we didn't get him out there until he was already 25.

As far as Lacy lowering his head, it seems he mostly does it in the box, which won't be a matter for the new rule. We'll see about the downfield contact.

[Pugger]

And if the running game emerges, forces eight in the box, sustains drives, then the defense will be better rested and become more fearsome. Puh-leaze let some of this play out in our favor..........

I hear ya - along with having a season with fewer injuries for a change!

[Pugger]

Dear M3, please listen to the announcer at 1:08.

I can watch these all day long.