Rookie Camp News

[RashanGary]

If you're a football fan, and a die-hard Packer fan, you can't help but see parts on the team that make you worried about next season. As the draft approaches, you can't help but be excited about how many solutions seem to be available in the draft.


For me, I think the last time I panicked about a draft pick was Clay Matthews. I was like, "how can they draft this project who couldn't even start on his college team until his senior season in the first round?" How could they trade up, using all of these picks, to get him?"

Well, thankfully for me, I never got to build up a very strong dilution that I am able to project college talent to the NFL. I sort of fell flat on my face. I still like to get a feel for some positions, and enjoy seeing if what I see goes, but it's pretty much impossible for me to think I know what the Packers should have done. They have a SB Champion GM. They have the best player in the NFL, one of hte best coaching staffs, they're at or near the top of winningest teams since TT took over. They're just a great team, who's still on a great path. If they were the Lions, and were the worst team year after year, I'd probably do it more.

At the end of the day, whether B is right or wrong about what TT should have done doesn't much matter. It's his opinion. TT has his opinion. At the end of the day, all that matters is that TT brings us championships. If he does that, whether or not he does what B thinks is best doesn't much matter.

[Patler]

I've read several interesting comments about and listened to an interview with BJ Coleman.
What I took from them:

- the kid learned humility over the past year. None of the brash comments we heard a year ago.
- he has some obvious physical tools, beyond what Graham Harrell has to offer.
- seems to have made very good strides in his knowledge base on the offense.
- Graham Harrell will be in a battle to keep the #2 QB spot.

[Bretsky]

If you're a football fan, and a die-hard Packer fan, you can't help but see parts on the team that make you worried about next season. As the draft approaches, you can't help but be excited about how many solutions seem to be available in the draft.


For me, I think the last time I panicked about a draft pick was Clay Matthews. I was like, "how can they draft this project who couldn't even start on his college team until his senior season in the first round?" How could they trade up, using all of these picks, to get him?"

Well, thankfully for me, I never got to build up a very strong dilution that I am able to project college talent to the NFL. I sort of fell flat on my face. I still like to get a feel for some positions, and enjoy seeing if what I see goes, but it's pretty much impossible for me to think I know what the Packers should have done. They have a SB Champion GM. They have the best player in the NFL, one of hte best coaching staffs, they're at or near the top of winningest teams since TT took over. They're just a great team, who's still on a great path. If they were the Lions, and were the worst team year after year, I'd probably do it more.

At the end of the day, whether B is right or wrong about what TT should have done doesn't much matter. It's his opinion. TT has his opinion. At the end of the day, all that matters is that TT brings us championships. If he does that, whether or not he does what B thinks is best doesn't much matter.

Spot on

[rbaloha1]

First, to say I'm upset is an over exaggeration. There are real life issues to get upset about.

But that doesn't mean I can't question things and I don't think I'll ever be a in TT I trust robot........

So I'm not upset they didn't take anybody. But I would really questions passing on Brandon Williams and Brian Schwenke.

Brandon Williams
Brian Schwenke
If you want to track most of my comments..........about trading down........those are the two guys I'd be judged by

Others I'd have liked to see GB Draft would be ...........
Jessie Williams-NG Alabama
Barrett Jones
David Quessenberry
Cornelius Washington
Joe Krueger
Davis Bass
Philip Thomas

Jesse Williams is someone I also wanted. Going to the Seahawks says something given d-line is already solid.

JW could have been a replacement for Raji. Oh well still a good draft.

[wist43]

First, to say I'm upset is an over exaggeration. There are real life issues to get upset about.

But that doesn't mean I can't question things and I don't think I'll ever be a in TT I trust robot........

So I'm not upset they didn't take anybody. But I would really questions passing on Brandon Williams and Brian Schwenke.

Brandon Williams
Brian Schwenke
If you want to track most of my comments..........about trading down........those are the two guys I'd be judged by

Others I'd have liked to see GB Draft would be ...........
Jessie Williams-NG Alabama
Barrett Jones
David Quessenberry
Cornelius Washington
Joe Krueger
Davis Bass
Philip Thomas

I like both Williams and Schwenke... McGinn mentioned in an article that Barrett Jones has a Lisfranc. I hadn't heard that about Jones, but I'm sure the teams knew.

Anyway, I'd add Brian Winters to that list.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/22227151/finding-the-fits-forecast-calls-for-early-winters

This article makes mention of the finesse factor you get by moving college OT's inside to G... something we're all too familiar with in Green Bay - but that's the kind of player the Packers like. TT likely never even considered Winters, Schwenke, or Williams.

Finesse is our identity... maybe we should change the team colors to turquoise and pink??

[rbaloha1]

I like both Williams and Schwenke... McGinn mentioned in an article that Barrett Jones has a Lisfranc. I hadn't heard that about Jones, but I'm sure the teams knew.

Anyway, I'd add Brian Winters to that list.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/22227151/finding-the-fits-forecast-calls-for-early-winters

This article makes mention of the finesse factor you get by moving college OT's inside to G... something we're all too familiar with in Green Bay - but that's the kind of player the Packers like. TT likely never even considered Winters, Schwenke, or Williams.

Finesse is our identity... maybe we should change the team colors to turquoise and pink??

IMO the finesse is not an issue on offense due to AR and hopefully the added running dimension of Lacy (speculating you like this pick?)

It is the DEE-FENCE you can identify that was hopefully addressed sufficiently.

[wist43]

IMO the finesse is not an issue on offense due to AR and hopefully the added running dimension of Lacy (speculating you like this pick?)

It is the DEE-FENCE you can identify that was hopefully addressed sufficiently.

Here's an article on the league's best defensive linemen... notice, not a single mention of any Packer.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22227482/versatile-watt-powerful-ngata-wilfork-best-of-defensive-linemen

I agree, our DL is still a mess... Jones helps, but it won't be near enough.

As for the OL? To me, that's where we are defined as finesse. My God, we can't pick up a 3rd and inches on the ground... all of our guys get pushed back. And that stupid, stupid, stupid FB dive MM always calls does nothing more than serve to launch me into another demension of pissed off!!!

We could have drafted Schwenke, Williams, or Winters... what did TT do instead?? He drafted a lightweight OT... less that 300 lbs!!!! Good grief, if he gets in a game, Ndamukong Suh is going to use his super-long legs to tie him in a pretzel

Have you seen that guy's build?? He's shaped like a horseshoe with a head on it. I'd much rather have Brian Winters than another finesse player, especially one that looks like the result of a lab accident.

[wist43]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22227482/versatile-watt-powerful-ngata-wilfork-best-of-defensive-linemen

There are 54 defensive linemen talked about in that article. The Packers have none even mentioned.

Why the Packers prefer to play finesse in the trenches is beyone me. You'd think they'd get sick of being pushed around all the time. We win games b/c of our QB and skill position talent. In the trenches?? we're well below average on both lines.

[Brandon494]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2...ensive-linemen

There are 54 defensive linemen talked about in that article. The Packers have none even mentioned.

Why the Packers prefer to play finesse in the trenches is beyone me. You'd think they'd get sick of being pushed around all the time. We win games b/c of our QB and skill position talent. In the trenches?? we're well below average on both lines.

Its pretty clear you don't pay attention to any other team in the NFL because you act like every team has no weakness except for the Packers.

[wist43]

Its pretty clear you don't pay attention to any other team in the NFL because you act like every team has no weakness except for the Packers.

Don't be obtuse Brandon... I talk about the Packers weaknesses - does talking about the Packers weaknesses imply that all other teams are without weakness??

Are any Packers talked about in the article? The article was about defensive linemen - should there have been a mention of Jordy Nelson or Aaron Rodgers??

In the name of fairness and protecting everyones feelings - perhaps we should adopt the 'fairness doctrine' of not keeping score??

[Upnorth]

Don't be obtuse Brandon... I talk about the Packers weaknesses - does talking about the Packers weaknesses imply that all other teams are without weakness??

Are any Packers talked about in the article? The article was about defensive linemen - should there have been a mention of Jordy Nelson or Aaron Rodgers??

In the name of fairness and protecting everyones feelings - perhaps we should adopt the 'fairness doctrine' of not keeping score??

I did not read the article, but do you honestly feel raji is not in the top 54 dl?

[rbaloha1]

I did not read the article, but do you honestly feel raji is not in the top 54 dl?

raji is overrated -- maybe the article validates this.

[3irty1]

I like both Williams and Schwenke... McGinn mentioned in an article that Barrett Jones has a Lisfranc. I hadn't heard that about Jones, but I'm sure the teams knew.

Anyway, I'd add Brian Winters to that list.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/22227151/finding-the-fits-forecast-calls-for-early-winters

This article makes mention of the finesse factor you get by moving college OT's inside to G... something we're all too familiar with in Green Bay - but that's the kind of player the Packers like. TT likely never even considered Winters, Schwenke, or Williams.

Finesse is our identity... maybe we should change the team colors to turquoise and pink??

So Winters is a college tackle being moved to guard, and that's the kind of player the Packers like. Therefore by the transitive property, TT likely never even had Winters on his board.

Am I doing this right?

[rbaloha1]

Here's an article on the league's best defensive linemen... notice, not a single mention of any Packer.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22227482/versatile-watt-powerful-ngata-wilfork-best-of-defensive-linemen

I agree, our DL is still a mess... Jones helps, but it won't be near enough.

As for the OL? To me, that's where we are defined as finesse. My God, we can't pick up a 3rd and inches on the ground... all of our guys get pushed back. And that stupid, stupid, stupid FB dive MM always calls does nothing more than serve to launch me into another demension of pissed off!!!

We could have drafted Schwenke, Williams, or Winters... what did TT do instead?? He drafted a lightweight OT... less that 300 lbs!!!! Good grief, if he gets in a game, Ndamukong Suh is going to use his super-long legs to tie him in a pretzel

Have you seen that guy's build?? He's shaped like a horseshoe with a head on it. I'd much rather have Brian Winters than another finesse player, especially one that looks like the result of a lab accident.

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130511/PKR01/305110354/Bakhtiari-could-among-favorites-right-tackle?nclick_check=1

Persian guy is 305. Dude has put on 25 lbs since freshman year. Only going to get larger. Ferguson of the Jets also has this type of build.

Its not uncommon for passing o-linemen having problems with running on short yardage. Your frustration appears to have been addressed with blocking te and lacy.

Williams could have also played fullback in short yardage/goal line situations.

[wist43]

So Winters is a college tackle being moved to guard, and that's the kind of player the Packers like. Therefore by the transitive property, TT likely never even had Winters on his board.

Am I doing this right?

By homer standards you're doing it right - being obtuse.