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[gbgary]

too much positive/non-negative talk from mm to think sherrod will be cut before this upcoming season.

[Pugger]

That's the really intriguing thing about Datko, Guiness. He had shoulder surgery, something very serious for a lineman. His strength was down. The Packers took him in the 7th round, probably very aware that he would not be ready to play in 2012. He was under-drafted.

Sherrod on the other hand, like you said, didn't get a rookie offseason because of the CBA, then went out part-way through his rookie season. It will be 18+ mos away from live football by the time he takes a snap. In hindsight, with the injury he has, I don't think anyone would take Sherrod right now with a 1st round pick. Could you picture the 32nd team in the league trading their first round pick for Sherrod? Would we trade Eddie Lacy?

Datko is probably worth more than a 7th right now and Sherrod probably less than a first. The question is how much in each direction.

I think Patler starting by comparing their jr seasons (the last time you could compare apples to apples) is a very fair starting point. Datko was considered a 1st/2nd round pick going into his sr season. So was Sherrod. They're comparable football players as juniors and comparable athletes at the combine. Datko is healthy. Sherrod is not. We'll see, I guess. I would not be shocked.

Did you see or hear a report on how Sherrod is now? I haven't heard a thing...

[Packers4Glory]

Datko was a guy I was really excited about getting. I thought he could end up a huge steal in that draft. The preseason kool-aid articles indicate he wasn't quite 100% last yr, but he has a chance to come into camp this yr and show he's healthy and could snipe that RT job. I certainly hope we can find a better answer than Newhouse over there. I'm not sure Newhouse made it off the field yet in SF because he's so slow. I'm hoping Datko or Sherrod work some magic.

Did you see or hear a report on how Sherrod is now? I haven't heard a thing...

I think Sherrod would be undrafted at this point. Datko's value remains unchanged simply for the fact he hasn't proven he's healthy, and in the draft world he might actually an undrafted free agent as well.

[rbaloha1]

too much positive/non-negative talk from mm to think sherrod will be cut before this upcoming season.

yup -- first round pics are always given more leeway.

[Guiness]

If I remember correctly, he had first injured the shoulder in HS, and had had a previous surgery or two on it. He said it never felt right since then, but that they had finally identified the problem and the last surgery while in college had really fixed it. He said everything felt normal this time, but that there would be a long gradual rehab to build it back up.

Looked into it a bit, and it seems like his shoulder would pop out.

[Joemailman]

If Sherrod is healthy and doesn't produce, being a 1st round pick won't help him. If there are no major injuries to O-Linemen in training camp, at least 1 of Sherrod/Newhouse/Datko will be released. There are no guarantees it won't be Sherrod.

[Patler]

If Sherrod is healthy and doesn't produce, being a 1st round pick won't help him. If there are no major injuries to O-Linemen in training camp, at least 1 of Sherrod/Newhouse/Datko will be released. There are no guarantees it won't be Sherrod.

It's starting to look like it might come down to that, but I would throw Barclay into the pot, too.

[Patler]

Which ever of Newhouse, Sherrod, Barclay, Van Roten and Datco is not starting and is the least versatile will probably be released.

Absent injuries, you have to assume Bulaga, Sitton. Lang, EDS, Bakhtiari and Tretter are virtual locks for spots in 2013.

Newhouse, Sherrod, Barclay, Datco and Van Roten are probably fighting for 3 spots, maybe 4. Somewhere in the mix you also have to have a back-up center. That could give Van Roten an advantage for one of the spots.

[Joemailman]

Which ever of Newhouse, Sherrod, Barclay, Van Roten and Datco is not starting and is the least versatile will probably be released.

Absent injuries, you have to assume Bulaga, Sitton. Lang, EDS, Bakhtiari and Tretter are virtual locks for spots in 2013.

Newhouse, Sherrod, Barclay, Datco and Van Roten are probably fighting for 3 spots, maybe 4. Somewhere in the mix you also have to have a back-up center. That could give Van Roten an advantage for one of the spots.

I would say they're fighting for 2 spots, maybe 3. Last year the Packers opening day 53 man roster had 7 O-Linemen. They probably thought Sherrod would eventually become the 8th. I could see them going with 9 this year because they'll be carrying 2 rookies. I can'r see 10.

The backup C position will be interesting. There's been some talk of Tretter being able to play there, but I can't see the Packers going into the season with an Ivy League rookie as their backup. That would seem to give Van Roten a good chance. However, MM has mentioned in the past he thinks Lang could play C. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get some reps there.

[Guiness]

I would say they're fighting for 2 spots, maybe 3. Last year the Packers opening day 53 man roster had 7 O-Linemen. They probably thought Sherrod would eventually become the 8th. I could see them going with 9 this year because they'll be carrying 2 rookies. I can'r see 10.

The backup C position will be interesting. There's been some talk of Tretter being able to play there, but I can't see the Packers going into the season with an Ivy League rookie as their backup. That would seem to give Van Roten a good chance. However, MM has mentioned in the past he thinks Lang could play C. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get some reps there.

The number of OL they carry into the season will heavily depend on how many TEs they keep!!!

I read Tretter projects to center at the pro level. If Tretter starts taking reps there in TC, and Lang can be the primary backup at the beginning of the season and an emergency backup later, that should be enough.

[Patler]

I would say they're fighting for 2 spots, maybe 3. Last year the Packers opening day 53 man roster had 7 O-Linemen. They probably thought Sherrod would eventually become the 8th. I could see them going with 9 this year because they'll be carrying 2 rookies. I can'r see 10.

The backup C position will be interesting. There's been some talk of Tretter being able to play there, but I can't see the Packers going into the season with an Ivy League rookie as their backup. That would seem to give Van Roten a good chance. However, MM has mentioned in the past he thinks Lang could play C. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get some reps there.

I agree, 8 or 9 are the most typical numbers, but a few years back the Packers started the season with 10 O-linemen. Until injuries hit, game day inactives allow you to keep extra at positions of perceived depth (you know - 2 punters, half-dozen FBs, a dozen TEs !) That's why I bumped it up to 9, possibly 10 total.

[Fritz]

I agree, 8 or 9 are the most typical numbers, but a few years back the Packers started the season with 10 O-linemen. Until injuries hit, game day inactives allow you to keep extra at positions of perceived depth (you know - 2 punters, half-dozen FBs, a dozen TEs !) That's why I bumped it up to 9, possibly 10 total.

This is why I think that if Sherrod's not healthy, there's no reason not to PUP him and thus give yourself some flexibility around mid-season.

[Patler]

Ya, they'll get him to PUP, IR or something. Just realized that his salary for 2013 is guaranteed, so there is absolutely no reason at all to cut ties with him this year, if there is a way to stash him away.

[Guiness]

That would be a heck of a start to a career though - IR, PUP to IR, then start season 3 on PUP.

[Fritz]

That would be a heck of a start to a career though - IR, PUP to IR, then start season 3 on PUP.

I offer us all two words of hope:

Mike Flanagan.