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  • #46
    Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
    For an LT, Sherrod wins the 2 most important though. Arms and 3 cone. The fact that Datko creams him in the 10 yard is a feather for him though. Which one is stronger would be my tie breaker.
    I thought it was the short shuttle that was more important. 3-cone shows agility while running and weaving. Short shuttle shows lateral agility a little more.

    So the fat ass can run and weave Datko beat him in the short shuttle, showing he might have better lateral/slide agility.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
      I thought it was the short shuttle that was more important. 3-cone shows agility while running and weaving. Short shuttle shows lateral agility a little more.

      So the fat ass can run and weave Datko beat him in the short shuttle, showing he might have better lateral/slide agility.
      They seem about equal at least in Ted's eyes. He typically picks guys that are at least a 4.6 in the SS and 7.6 in the 3-cone if you look at history. Neither of those is particularly easy to achieve for a 310 pound dude.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
        By seasons end:

        Sherrod Sitton Lang Barclay Bulaga

        ITs easy to predict....being right is MUCH harder.
        That line you've got would be awesome but I don't think MM will walk back his decision of moving Bulaga. Would be nice though because I'd like to see him get paid as a RT instead of a LT after this season, and its hard to imagine a happy ending for the Sherrod saga that doesn't end with him at LT. I like Barclay best long term as a guard but I'd be surprised if our best 5 involved him at guard this year rather than EDS at center and Lang at guard. I have a feeling it will go more like this:

        Bulaga, Sitton, EDS, Lang, Bakhitiari

        EDS is going to be hard to keep out of the lineup IMO but after this year he'll be a FA and Tretter can step in. Bakhitiari is my pick to win in an open competition between Sherrod, Datko, Barclay, and field. He's got pass blocking feet and a RT attitude. This would be a really tough and nasty line.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post
          That line you've got would be awesome but I don't think MM will walk back his decision of moving Bulaga. Would be nice though because I'd like to see him get paid as a RT instead of a LT after this season, and its hard to imagine a happy ending for the Sherrod saga that doesn't end with him at LT. I like Barclay best long term as a guard but I'd be surprised if our best 5 involved him at guard this year rather than EDS at center and Lang at guard. I have a feeling it will go more like this:

          Bulaga, Sitton, EDS, Lang, Bakhitiari

          EDS is going to be hard to keep out of the lineup IMO but after this year he'll be a FA and Tretter can step in. Bakhitiari is my pick to win in an open competition between Sherrod, Datko, Barclay, and field. He's got pass blocking feet and a RT attitude. This would be a really tough and nasty line.
          I like this, but a lot rides on the back of Bakhtiari as a rookie. I think Bakhtiari/Barclay/Tretter get the real looks at RT. Newhouse will be gone and Sherrod is on the 53 nominally backing up LT but actually being a game day inactive.
          [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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          • #50
            I think people are dismissing Newhouse too quickly. As the only experienced LT on the roster, in view of Bulaga's injury history, I think unseating Newhouse from the roster will be more difficult than people think.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Patler View Post
              I think people are dismissing Newhouse too quickly. As the only experienced LT on the roster, in view of Bulaga's injury history, I think unseating Newhouse from the roster will be more difficult than people think.
              Sherrod then? We can't keep two tackle only guys, can we? Neither show the ability to run block. Newhouse has topped out all potential but he is more versatile. The whole offensive line shuffle comes about because we know Newhouse isn't that good and we don't know for certain that Sherrod will be healthy, and if he is healthy we don't know for certain that he will be good.

              Picking two offensive tackles was a message to somebody; I thought it might be to two offensive tackles already on the team.

              ps. I am sorry for contributing to the jacking of the "laugh at the Bears" thread. I will post any other stuff to our own O-line thread.
              [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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              • #52
                I could see them keeping 10 O-linemen, including both Sherrod and Newhouse.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Patler View Post
                  I could see them keeping 10 O-linemen, including both Sherrod and Newhouse.
                  I'd like to see Newhouse traded. I feel like he's probably a backup here on a line with too many backups of which he has the most value. If he could bring a draft pick that would net us something while preventing the cut of another quality player.
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                  • #54
                    Would we get much more than the 5th rounder that we invested in him? Probably not. He's a good dude, too, the kind you don't usually like to trade. Maybe that's part of the draw for another team, but I don't think we'd get a reasonable return on him. :/

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
                      I thought it was the short shuttle that was more important. 3-cone shows agility while running and weaving. Short shuttle shows lateral agility a little more.

                      So the fat ass can run and weave Datko beat him in the short shuttle, showing he might have better lateral/slide agility.
                      He has better explosiveness, the three cone is for lateral movement and balance. For the LT protecting the blindside I want the agility. For drive blocking I will take the 10 yard and SS. I think both project to LT, but if I had to choose, Sherrod is LT, Datko is RT (based strictly on those numbers). Numbers dont' always tell the story though.
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                      • #56
                        I am rooting for both Sherrod and Datko, but I think Datko actually has a better chance of contributing this year. In fact, I believe he'll win the right tackle job, and I think Sherrod will be PUP'd and then Ir'd, unless there are serious tackle injuries by week seven.

                        The problem with this thread is that as fun as it is to make fun of the Bears' apparently dumb first round pick of Carimini, our own first round pick at left tackle hasn't done much, though it in my opinion is more due to injury.
                        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                        KYPack

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                        • #57
                          There could be some big surprises this year, and definitely in the coming years. Who knows if the high potential duo of Sherrod and Datko could pan out and unseat Bulaga some day (both far superior athletes than Bulaga). Barclay and Bakhtiari could take Langs spot some day. Lang, Tretter or Van Rotten could take EDS's. Datko, Barclay, Bakhtiari, Newhouse, anyone could have the RT.

                          It's a big cluster fuck right now, really. There are some things you can narrow out, but there are enough little things that aren't likely to happen, but not completely unlikely either to make it for one hell of a question mark. This year, I guess LT to RG are somewhat set, but we have enough developing talent where you just never know who may really impress in the coming months.
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                          • #58
                            Bulaga - Solid Piece
                            Sitton - Excellent piece
                            Lang - Solid piece

                            Then we have to get 2 more pieces out of our next 8 players (one in every 4) to have a good OL.

                            Barclay
                            Datko
                            Sherrod
                            EDS
                            Bakhtiari
                            Newhouse
                            Tretter
                            Van Rotten


                            Individually, I don't think you would say any one of those guys is a good bet to be good, but for all 8 of them to be below average players, those are long odds too. We just have so many, someone is bound to rise to the forefront.
                            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
                              Bulaga - Solid Piece
                              Sitton - Excellent piece
                              Lang - Solid piece

                              Then we have to get 2 more pieces out of our next 8 players (one in every 4) to have a good OL.

                              Barclay
                              Datko
                              Sherrod
                              EDS
                              Bakhtiari
                              Newhouse
                              Tretter
                              Van Rotten




                              Individually, I don't think you would say any one of those guys is a good bet to be good, but for all 8 of them to be below average players, those are long odds too. We just have so many, someone is bound to rise to the forefront.

                              Is it just me or does this team seem deeper in several positions than it has in the past? I see more competition than in the last couple years. I like the tone so far.
                              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                              KYPack

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                                Is it just me or does this team seem deeper in several positions than it has in the past? I see more competition than in the last couple years. I like the tone so far.
                                I think it only looks that way because they are relatively healthy right now.
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