Read-Option QBs

[Cleft Crusty]

It is unknown if the Packer front seven has upgraded enough to control the read option.

that is unvarnished, unassailable truth.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I wonder if there's going to be a rash of signings of QB's that ran the RO in college on team's practice squads so that way they can get a better feel of going against it.

[3irty1]

The Packers should at least have the players to sell-out against the big plays and buckle down in the redzone where in the box defenders come free. More importantly the Packers have the firepower to consistently be competitive. 45-49 victories are underrated.

[bobblehead]

First of all how can put a number of 4 on read option plays?

Second all the read option qbs have demonstrated the ability to throw successfully from the pocket (CK, Wilson, RG III, Newton, etc.) The new draft picks are also capable of throwing from the pocket.

Third pocket passers like AR, Brady, both Mannings are incapable of running read option nor do they want to.

Bottom Line: Read Option is an added dimension not a complete overhaul.

Partly agree. RGIII has shown great talent as a pocket passer. Wilson decent. The other 2 I think are inadequate to win with long term (my opinion). I agree an extra dimension HELPS all things equal. I think if you can pass from the pocket and dissect a defense you wont' be running much RO.

I put the number at 4 because it keeps a D honest without exposing your QB too much. Of course 4 is somewhat arbitrary....if a team isn't defending it (ala GB in the playoffs) you might run it more.

[pbmax]

WRONG I was. Newton did run it in 2012 http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...e-read-package

Wilson started to use it after mid-season. It was not initially part of their offense.

[rbaloha1]

Partly agree. RGIII has shown great talent as a pocket passer. Wilson decent. The other 2 I think are inadequate to win with long term (my opinion). I agree an extra dimension HELPS all things equal. I think if you can pass from the pocket and dissect a defense you wont' be running much RO.

I put the number at 4 because it keeps a D honest without exposing your QB too much. Of course 4 is somewhat arbitrary....if a team isn't defending it (ala GB in the playoffs) you might run it more.

Again -- pure pocket passers are pure pocket passers for a reason.

[bobblehead]

Again -- pure pocket passers are pure pocket passers for a reason.

Yes, but we disagree on the reason. I say its because its the best way to win. ARod could run the option....remember he lead the NFL in rushing for QB's once. He would NOT do it because it exposes him and he is too good at passing from the pocket.

I suspect that RGIII won't run it this season, but he will improve as a pocket passer. Tebow can't even get a contract and he runs the RO better (and before) everyone else.

We can respectfully agree to disagree on this, time will tell who is right.

[Cleft Crusty]

I was only using Tarkenton as an example of how the RO QB's might lengthen their playing time - by developing the ability to avoid taking a big hit. I watched and was maddened by Tarkenton for years (because I was a Packer fan); he had a way of escaping the big hit that I sorely wished they'd lay on him.

Whether a QB is looking to run or looking to escape getting creamed in the pocket, the ability to avoid taking clean shots will prolong your career. Tarkenton was maddeningly good at that.

I hated that bastard.

I like your post, Mr. Fritz, but holy frijoles, the difference is that, unless you're playing the packers, if you run your QB, he will get tackled. Normally the QB avoids tackles, with good reason. Just look at the percentages - the knocked out of game or career to tackle ratio is exponentially higher for QBs, and that includes running QBs , not just scrambling QBs. Steve Young probably epitomized the best use of running ability in a QB who could pass from the pocket. Runs for a QB should be safe, legal and rare.

[Cleft Crusty]

Tebow can't even get a contract and he runs the RO better (and before) everyone else.

Well, that's because he's a less accurate passer than Sanchez and my dead grandmother.

[rbaloha1]

Well, that's because he's a less accurate passer than Sanchez and my dead grandmother.

TT can not throw from the pocket. Read option qbs must be able to throw from the pocket which every starter has demonstrated.

[rbaloha1]

Yes, but we disagree on the reason. I say its because its the best way to win. ARod could run the option....remember he lead the NFL in rushing for QB's once. He would NOT do it because it exposes him and he is too good at passing from the pocket.

I suspect that RGIII won't run it this season, but he will improve as a pocket passer. Tebow can't even get a contract and he runs the RO better (and before) everyone else.
We can respectfully agree to disagree on this, time will tell who is right.

There is a BIG difference between scrambling from the pocket and designed read option plays. Comparing the two is impossible.

Again read option qbs must be able to throw from the pocket which TT has not demonstrated.

[rbaloha1]

There is a BIG difference between scrambling from the pocket and designed read option plays. Comparing the two is impossible.

Again read option qbs must be able to throw from the pocket which TT has not demonstrated.

A-rod can not run the option and is on record he has no desire.

Andrew Luck is a good scrambler but can not run the option.

Basically white qbs are incapable of being pocket qbs and read option qbs.

[rbaloha1]

Yes, but we disagree on the reason. I say its because its the best way to win. ARod could run the option....remember he lead the NFL in rushing for QB's once. He would NOT do it because it exposes him and he is too good at passing from the pocket.

I suspect that RGIII won't run it this season, but he will improve as a pocket passer. Tebow can't even get a contract and he runs the RO better (and before) everyone else.

We can respectfully agree to disagree on this, time will tell who is right.

BTW read option as a legit dimension is one season old with CK, RGIII and Wilson making the playoffs -- not a bad percentage.

[bobblehead]

BTW read option as a legit dimension is one season old with CK, RGIII and Wilson making the playoffs -- not a bad percentage.

Untrue. Tebow ran it in denver and made the playoffs doing so.

[bobblehead]

A-rod can not run the option and is on record he has no desire.

Andrew Luck is a good scrambler but can not run the option.

Basically white qbs are incapable of being pocket qbs and read option qbs.

Again, Luck and Rodgers don't run it because they don't rely on gimmicks to beat you....they don't have to. Honestly, explain why Rodgers CAN'T run the RO. He is athletic and reasonably fast. He is very good at making reads. What is it that he lacks?