For the Packer Denialists

[ThunderDan]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...njury/1811689/

Forgot that part of the problem was reentering the game when he should have come out of the game.

What is he going to learn?

[ThunderDan]

41 QBs threw more than 25 times last year.
39 QBs threw more than 75 times last year.

[rbaloha1]

What is he going to learn?

RGIII took too many unnecessary shots. Run out of bounds or slide. Do not play scared -- play smart.

Can not always have a hurdler's mentality.

[rbaloha1]

QBs hurt in week 10 of 2012 season.

Jay Cutler
Ben Roethlisberger
Michael Vick
Alex Smith

All pocket passers.

[ThunderDan]

All pocket passers.

Do SF, WASH and SEA never have their QB pass out of the pocket? Mike Vick might disagree with your assessment.

[rbaloha1]

Do SF, WASH and SEA never have their QB pass out of the pocket? Mike Vick might disagree with your assessment.

Vick is currently a pocket passer. Do not understand your anal question.

[cheesner]

If your defense is solely worry about a kill shot on the qb you will not contain the offense.

How do you counter when a team has a protector around the qb to counter your guys continual charade of killing qb?

IS KILLING THE QB YOU ONLY DEFENSE AGAINST SPREAD OPTION?

Now who is the one in denial?

Are you saying that a running QB is not putting himself at greater risk than a QB who stays mostly in the pocket?

Nobody is saying that you should go out on a 'continual charade of killing' a QB. The point is, if a QB runs a dozen times per game, maybe not that game; maybe not the next; but sooner or later the QB is making a move on one guy and doesn't see the other guy flying at him from his blind spot. That guy is a bit pissed off at getting beat a few times already, and he takes a completely legal shot and CK is done.

The defense against a 'spread option' is an athletic, quick, disciplined front 7. We may have been far better against CK if we had Perry healthy last season, let alone now having Jones and maybe Bishop available.

[Upnorth]

Now who is the one in denial?

Are you saying that a running QB is not putting himself at greater risk than a QB who stays mostly in the pocket?

Nobody is saying that you should go out on a 'continual charade of killing' a QB. The point is, if a QB runs a dozen times per game, maybe not that game; maybe not the next; but sooner or later the QB is making a move on one guy and doesn't see the other guy flying at him from his blind spot. That guy is a bit pissed off at getting beat a few times already, and he takes a completely legal shot and CK is done.

The defense against a 'spread option' is an athletic, quick, disciplined front 7. We may have been far better against CK if we had Perry healthy last season, let alone now having Jones and maybe Bishop available.

Excellent response and repped appropriatly.

[rbaloha1]

Now who is the one in denial?

Are you saying that a running QB is not putting himself at greater risk than a QB who stays mostly in the pocket?

Nobody is saying that you should go out on a 'continual charade of killing' a QB. The point is, if a QB runs a dozen times per game, maybe not that game; maybe not the next; but sooner or later the QB is making a move on one guy and doesn't see the other guy flying at him from his blind spot. That guy is a bit pissed off at getting beat a few times already, and he takes a completely legal shot and CK is done.

The defense against a 'spread option' is an athletic, quick, disciplined front 7. We may have been far better against CK if we had Perry healthy last season, let alone now having Jones and maybe Bishop available.

Where did I say that? Pocket passers are also in jeopardy of getting hurt. Your anal buddies keep retorting with killing the qb rather than strategy.

How many sack and hits did a-rod have in the pocket also risking injury.

YOU CAN NOT SAY READ OPTION QBS ARE MORE AT RISK FOR GETTING HURT THAN POCKET QBS DROPPING BACK TO PASS.

[rbaloha1]

Excellent response and repped appropriatly.

Repped for ego boosting drunken sailors.

[rbaloha1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guG2vd-uAfY

A-rod has been sacked 211 times from 2010 - 2012 on top of the hits.

[rbaloha1]

Now who is the one in denial?

Are you saying that a running QB is not putting himself at greater risk than a QB who stays mostly in the pocket?

Nobody is saying that you should go out on a 'continual charade of killing' a QB. The point is, if a QB runs a dozen times per game, maybe not that game; maybe not the next; but sooner or later the QB is making a move on one guy and doesn't see the other guy flying at him from his blind spot. That guy is a bit pissed off at getting beat a few times already, and he takes a completely legal shot and CK is done.

The defense against a 'spread option' is an athletic, quick, disciplined front 7. We may have been far better against CK if we had Perry healthy last season, let alone now having Jones and maybe Bishop available.

Should we not drive cars because something bad can happen?

Your contention about the front seven is pure speculation. Based on the most recent events you are completely wrong.

[cheesner]

Where did I say that? Pocket passers are also in jeopardy of getting hurt. Your anal buddies keep retorting with killing the qb rather than strategy.

How many sack and hits did a-rod have in the pocket also risking injury.

YOU CAN NOT SAY READ OPTION QBS ARE MORE AT RISK FOR GETTING HURT THAN POCKET QBS DROPPPING BACK TO PASS.

YES I CAN!!!!!! I AM RIGHT BECAUSE MY TEXT IS BIGGER


I state: Are you saying that a running QB is not putting himself at greater risk than a QB who stays mostly in the pocket?

You ask, 'Where did I say that?'

Then in big letters you say drop back passers are at the same risk as Option QBs.

Whatever

Should we not drive cars because something bad can happen?

Your contention about the front seven is pure speculation. Based on the most recent events you are completely wrong.

More of a common sense thing than speculation. It is derived from football knowledge, understanding of strategy; and logic/reasoning. It is not based just on hatred of Dom Capers and Ted Thompson.

[rbaloha1]

YES I CAN!!!!!! I AM RIGHT BECAUSE MY TEXT IS BIGGER

More of a common sense thing.

Whatever turns you on hotshot

[pbmax]

Funny, I was going to post this article in support of what many have said:
-GB wasn't prepared because SF had not used it much previously
-pro teams will beat up QBs as much as they can
-the physical beating of QBs could make this short-lived
-defenses always catch up

I guess I was wrong?

Nope, dead on. The section on assignment football versus the option was a point that got lost in the rush to declare the Packers Defense a vast wasteland of Pansies.

But rb does have a point when he paraphrased the DC who worked with UW's Aranda. The college game does offer more packages that are designed to stifle the defense's ability to predict and matchup to an offense based on personnel, down and distance and tendency.

The 49ers take advantage of this by using their personnel in creative ways and usually having an option to run or pass at a defense at any time. The 49ers were remarked since Harbaugh's arrival for their ability to run and pass equally from multiple formations. Delanie Walker was a big part of that. A FB that could block and go wide to run a wheel route.

The Packers do this in smaller doses, they have run-pass options and they run a stick-draw.

But the 49ers Read Option was successful not because of a threat to pass off that option action, it was effective because the Packers simply failed to counter a standard play out of it.

Which is the lone remaining weird thing about the Packer performance in that game. When Capers called off the dogs in the 2nd half to stop CK from scrambling, it SHOULD have made them more secure versus the Read Option. But it didn't. It didn't help at all or made it worse.