For the Packer Denialists

[3irty1]

sure they can. But will all the Packer weaknesses be the same? Injuries, age, inexperience at critical positions all over again? It's possible there will be new ones, but there will be for the Niners as well. For example, It's entirely possible CK will have a 'sophomore' slump due to some serious offseason game planning.

I seen no reason to believe the 9ers are not still a run-first team with an elite offensive line. That alone is a bad matchup as it makes for a shorter game where entropy plays a larger role. Of course there is a lot of uncertainty because its football and its the offseason. A lot of things are entirely possible which just supports my position that its silly to speak in absolutes as if the Packers had already lost. Sounds like you'd hedge a bet against the Packers as well.

[mraynrand]

I seen no reason to believe the 9ers are not still a run-first team with an elite offensive line. That alone is a bad matchup as it makes for a shorter game where entropy plays a larger role. Of course there is a lot of uncertainty because its football and its the offseason. A lot of things are entirely possible which just supports my position that its silly to speak in absolutes as if the Packers had already lost. Sounds like you'd hedge a bet against the Packers as well.

I just don't think it's a lousy matchup

[3irty1]

I just don't think it's a lousy matchup

Compared to what?

[pbmax]

Year 1 -- tebow playoffs
Year 1 -- wilson playoffs
Year 1 -- rgiii playoffs
Year 1 -- ck super bowl

The denial continues ...

You cannot call Wilson a read option guy. He didn't run it in college and it wasn't a part of their offense until after mid-season.

And there is no mention of Cam Newton. No playoffs for him. You are just cherry picking.

[mraynrand]

Compared to what?

2012 was a lousy matchup. So 2012 compared to 2013, which should be better, given some reasonable expectations of improvement due to maybe two rookies, a few second year players, and return of injured players. I bet some will disagree due to things like the loss of Jennings and (seems more likely) Bishop, and the incompetence of TT in not drafting a Wilfork-like DT.

[RashanGary]

Justin Smith is the 5th oldest DL in the NFL. He's bound to drop off sooner than later. They lost Dashon Gholston. Frank Gore is a RB over 30. They lost Crabtree for a good chunk of the season.

They have a lot of young drafted talent this year. CK looks like a young star (I think he's going to be a passing QB, not a running QB. I think they ran him a ton in the playoffs because he's young and they wanted to win now. In the long run, I don't think they'll use him that way. In the playoffs, sure, but regular season, I think he'll play a similar style to AR. And I do think he can be a great traditional style QB too.) They have a healthy cap situation.

The 49ers have some things that could fall off RIGHT NOW. They have some things that make you think they'll be good for a long time. I would consider this year for them similar to 2011-2012 for us. They have a few things that I don't think they'll be able to fix right away, but a lot of things in order to where they have a real nice window to put together a SB winner or two in the next few years.



I think the Packers are hitting another peak within their window. RB's tend to play well right away. We brought in Eddie Lacy, a guy who could be a big-time piece for us. We continue to add talent to our DL and we're not losing anyone. It's just a matter of time before one or more of those guys hit their stride. Our OL has a bunch of guys entering the primes of their careers. While it's not a great group, it is a group that is poised to be better than they've been. AR has Cobb, Nelson, Jones and Finley to throw to, as well as some other high-potential players.

I actually think the Packers are on a little bit of an up-swing and the niners on a mini-downswing. I think both teams have excellent talent, excellent cap management, excellent coaching. . . . I'd call both elite. But within these windows, I think the Packers are hitting a better part of theirs and the 9ers, a slight lul (although still an excellent team.)

[rbaloha1]

You cannot call Wilson a read option guy. He didn't run it in college and it wasn't a part of their offense until after mid-season.

And there is no mention of Cam Newton. No playoffs for him. You are just cherry picking.

One dude -- how many pocket passers did not make the playoffs?

Higher percentage of read option guys mr. cherrypicker

[rbaloha1]

One game and one half season of Tebow does not make a trend.

Rex Grossman went to the Super Bowl too. Are turnover prone, inaccurate passers the wave of the future?

Keep being ridiculous

[rbaloha1]

You cannot call Wilson a read option guy. He didn't run it in college and it wasn't a part of their offense until after mid-season.

And there is no mention of Cam Newton. No playoffs for him. You are just cherry picking.

RW not a read option guy -- what a crybaby

[pbmax]

RW not a read option guy -- what a crybaby

You just really don't know what you don't know, do you?

[Bossman641]

You just really don't know what you don't know, do you?

I'll give RB some credit. The Seahawks began running read option about 75% of the way through the year. But again, they used it in packages, not down in down out like RB thinks.

[rbaloha1]

I'll give RB some credit. The Seahawks began running read option about 75% of the way through the year. But again, they used it in packages, not down in down out like RB thinks.

EVERYBODY USES IT IN PACKAGES

Where did I ever imply it was the dominant part of the offense? You guys always stretch the truth for your personal agendas.

[rbaloha1]

You just really don't know what you don't know, do you?

Dude -- give me your paypal account info and I will give you $1000 to spare us from your garbage about the read option stuff.

[George Cumby]

Justin Smith is the 5th oldest DL in the NFL. He's bound to drop off sooner than later. They lost Dashon Gholston. Frank Gore is a RB over 30. They lost Crabtree for a good chunk of the season.

They have a lot of young drafted talent this year. CK looks like a young star (I think he's going to be a passing QB, not a running QB. I think they ran him a ton in the playoffs because he's young and they wanted to win now. In the long run, I don't think they'll use him that way. In the playoffs, sure, but regular season, I think he'll play a similar style to AR. And I do think he can be a great traditional style QB too.) They have a healthy cap situation.

The 49ers have some things that could fall off RIGHT NOW. They have some things that make you think they'll be good for a long time. I would consider this year for them similar to 2011-2012 for us. They have a few things that I don't think they'll be able to fix right away, but a lot of things in order to where they have a real nice window to put together a SB winner or two in the next few years.



I think the Packers are hitting another peak within their window. RB's tend to play well right away. We brought in Eddie Lacy, a guy who could be a big-time piece for us. We continue to add talent to our DL and we're not losing anyone. It's just a matter of time before one or more of those guys hit their stride. Our OL has a bunch of guys entering the primes of their careers. While it's not a great group, it is a group that is poised to be better than they've been. AR has Cobb, Nelson, Jones and Finley to throw to, as well as some other high-potential players.

I actually think the Packers are on a little bit of an up-swing and the niners on a mini-downswing. I think both teams have excellent talent, excellent cap management, excellent coaching. . . . I'd call both elite. But within these windows, I think the Packers are hitting a better part of theirs and the 9ers, a slight lul (although still an excellent team.)

I'm hoping you are right about this, Justin, and you have some good points. Although it makes me barf in my mouth to say this, I agree with Wist's general point. I.e.: the Niners were more physical than the Pack in both games last year. I disagree with Wist's over-generalization that the team, From TT down are a bunch of ballet watching Nancies.

[rbaloha1]

I'm hoping you are right about this, Justin, and you have some good points. Although it makes me barf in my mouth to say this, I agree with Wist's general point. I.e.: the Niners were more physical than the Pack in both games last year. I disagree with Wist's over-generalization that the team, From TT down are a bunch of ballet watching Nancies.

You are courageous to say this since the denialsists/apologists/excusemakers keep attempting to disguise this fact.