Packers To Part Ways With Bishop?

[wist43]

Our corners and safeties know how to pick a pass and we have the most dominant pass rusher in the league. Don't care about scaring people. I care about results. If our D keeps improving, we're going to be a serious hassle come play off times.

C'mon guys! It's not all doom and gloom out there!

The Packers are a finesse team on both sides of the ball... they get away with it on offense b/c of Rodgers and the receiving corp, but every other aspect of the team is finesse.

TT, MM, and especially Capers want to play as small as they can possibly get away with - they want cover people on the field. Pressure up front and tackling are secondary considerations. I think that is a seriously flawed philosophy, and it can get pretty embarrassing when the defense is getting bitch slapped by tougher teams - but, that's their philosophy.

When the HC has to field questions every week from the media asking about the physicality and tackling of his team, and he's always saying 'we're working on it'... where there's smoke, there's fire.

Actually, I think MM is lying when he says they're working on it, lol... cuz it's the same thing week after week. Drag the guy down, or escort him to the sideline is just as good to them I guess... it's a mystery to me, but it is what it is.

[smuggler]

They probably cut Bishop because they didn't want to deal with him as a backup. Same thing they did with... Wayne Simmons back when.

[pbmax]

OK. I am calling a time out on Bishop's hitting. He might be the biggest hitter on the team from ILB, but he is not a monster. His best play in 2 seasons of playing was a shoestring tackle of Desean Jackson.

Wayne Simmons once turned Brent Jones into his personal ventriloquist dummy.

Bishop might have wanted to hit everyone and he did get some production out of it as he had 5 sacks and 5 forced fumbles in a full year. But he did not intimidate and he did not stop a running game. With limited wheels, he was a hard hitting but average player.

This might go Jenkins on us as his potential replacements might fall on their face, but I am not losing sleep over the talent that left.

That said, he does seem to be a standup, accountable and intelligent guy. I hope its not the last we see of him in Green Bay.

[Bretsky]

They probably cut Bishop because they didn't want to deal with him as a backup. Same thing they did with... Wayne Simmons back when.

Calling bluff on this one
IMO we didn't have anybody better than Wayne Simmons waitin in the wings
We cut Wayne Simmons IMO because some thought he was a bad person....right or wrong
Plenty of whispers out there that as much as Fritz liked him, Holmgren disliked him
Dude was a rebel...high strung...probably a challenge to coach as well...not to Mike's liking

Hard to fathom JustaguyJones as being better than Bishop unless he's hurt
I could understand if a guy like Bishop is a challenge to coach although I have not read any Simmons like reports out there. Maybe he didn't toe the company line all the time; maybe he shared his thoughts too much for the liking of some. Who knows.

Bishop's smash mouth tough guy attitude belongs as a Raven or Steeler

[Bretsky]

OK. I am calling a time out on Bishop's hitting. He might be the biggest hitter on the team from ILB, but he is not a monster. His best play in 2 seasons of playing was a shoestring tackle of Desean Jackson.

Wayne Simmons once turned Brent Jones into his personal ventriloquist dummy.

Bishop might have wanted to hit everyone and he did get some production out of it as he had 5 sacks and 5 forced fumbles in a full year. But he did not intimidate and he did not stop a running game. With limited wheels, he was a hard hitting but average player.

This might go Jenkins on us as his potential replacements might fall on their face, but I am not losing sleep over the talent that left.

That said, he does seem to be a standup, accountable and intelligent guy. I hope its not the last we see of him in Green Bay.

Take the Claymker out of th epicture
He's a smash mouth tough hitter compared with the rest of the finesseee LB's

[Joemailman]

Bishop tore his hamstring last year. He still wasn't practicing this year. He was due to make almost 4 million this year. Therefore, he's gone.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It's surprising, but I still have high hopes for this defense. Adding Jones and Jolly gives the DL depth. I'm on the Perry bandwagon. If he stays healthy, I think he could be to Clay what Woodley was to Harrison. Our corners are good. Burnett is solid with the potential to be great. I'm hopeful that McMillian makes "the leap" this year. Hawk is good run defender and Jones was good in the subpackages last year. I think this points to the Packers liking Manning's potential.

[Guiness]

3irty had a classic post.........calling Bishop a future Raven. I must admit, when I think of Bishop he is th classic Raven. Tough Guy/Hard Ass...Potential to make huge plays while also giving up some...not overly steady....but he wants to frickin Crack people.....aka...Wayne Simmons'
'

Take Clay away....and our prototype Packer defender seems to be very average...steady..finesse.....who on our D scares people ? Nobody.

Well...most of our defense scares me, and it sounds like they've got you nervous too.

[RashanGary]

It's surprising, but I still have high hopes for this defense. Adding Jones and Jolly gives the DL depth. I'm on the Perry bandwagon. If he stays healthy, I think he could be to Clay what Woodley was to Harrison. Our corners are good. Burnett is solid with the potential to be great. I'm hopeful that McMillian makes "the leap" this year. Hawk is good run defender and Jones was good in the subpackages last year. I think this points to the Packers liking Manning's potential.

I think they'll be significantly better this year. I like the group.

[3irty1]

OK. I am calling a time out on Bishop's hitting. He might be the biggest hitter on the team from ILB, but he is not a monster. His best play in 2 seasons of playing was a shoestring tackle of Desean Jackson.

Wayne Simmons once turned Brent Jones into his personal ventriloquist dummy.

Bishop might have wanted to hit everyone and he did get some production out of it as he had 5 sacks and 5 forced fumbles in a full year. But he did not intimidate and he did not stop a running game. With limited wheels, he was a hard hitting but average player.

This might go Jenkins on us as his potential replacements might fall on their face, but I am not losing sleep over the talent that left.

That said, he does seem to be a standup, accountable and intelligent guy. I hope its not the last we see of him in Green Bay.

Bishop had some serious pop. He didn't have a lot of speed to turn into power but he could uncoil and generate a ton of power out of his hips for a killshot--a great quality as he didn't need a running start to bring the wood. I suspect a lot of fans' first memory of Bishop was in the 2007 preseason game against Jacksonville where a guy made a catch over the middle Bishop unloaded on him and leveled him while flatfooted. It looked like he was dead. There is no sugar-coating the loss of Bishop, he was tremendously productive when he was on the field.

Doesn't stop me from being intrigued by the possibilities of Jones. He's a very interesting player in that he was a DE in college, moved to 3-4 OLB in the pros, and now MLB yet his biggest strength is his coverage skill. Plus he's a black guy named Brad. What an enigma. He's got all the tools, you'd just like to see him get his hands on the ball a little more. Remember when he broke Favre's foot and cause an int on the same hit? Guy should be in the Packer hall just for that play.

Someone drink the koolaid with me. Let's start a Brad Jonestown massacre.

[3irty1]

Take the Claymker out of th epicture
He's a smash mouth tough hitter compared with the rest of the finesseee LB's

I don't know if that's fair to Hawk. He's not that great but he's not a finesse guy. Hawk might wrap up rather than aim to bruise but he plays strong and stout. Definitely doesn't hesitate to get his nose in and if we're being honest with ourselves he's the toughest sob on the team.

[Fritz]

The Packers are a finesse team on both sides of the ball... they get away with it on offense b/c of Rodgers and the receiving corp, but every other aspect of the team is finesse.

TT, MM, and especially Capers want to play as small as they can possibly get away with - they want cover people on the field. Pressure up front and tackling are secondary considerations. I think that is a seriously flawed philosophy, and it can get pretty embarrassing when the defense is getting bitch slapped by tougher teams - but, that's their philosophy.

When the HC has to field questions every week from the media asking about the physicality and tackling of his team, and he's always saying 'we're working on it'... where there's smoke, there's fire.

Actually, I think MM is lying when he says they're working on it, lol... cuz it's the same thing week after week. Drag the guy down, or escort him to the sideline is just as good to them I guess... it's a mystery to me, but it is what it is.

Okay, Rats....

If I started a poll whose question was "Which Packer defender of the last four years does this defense miss or will this defense miss the most?" - whaddya think the results would be?

You know the answer to this. It's the one thing in this damn site we pretty much all agree on.

It's not Cullen Jenkins.

It's not Johnny Jolly.

The hands-down winner of this poll would be....

Yup.

Nick Collins.

Now, let's take a look at this in the context of the "woe is we, the Packers' defense will be too soft now, even worse than before!" mantra that Wist and others are peddling.

So, the player we'd like back, the one who would be the biggest difference-maker on this defense, would be Nick Collins. I'd think that at least 95% of the Rats would say so.

So how about that Nick Collins. Do we miss him because man, he was mean? Did he ever lay the wood, baby! He was like Chuck Cecil and then some!

Uh, no.

That dude was a playmaker. He could cover all kinds of ground, he could get to the ball, and he was a sure tackler.

So let's not gnash our teeth too much. I liked Bishop and wanted him back for camp to see if he could compete. But let's not pretend the guy could cover, or that he was available all the time. He was solid, and yes, he brought some thump. And that was good. No question. But he had his liabilities, too.

It's Nick Collins' athleticism we miss most, not Desmond Bishop's toughness.

[denverYooper]

Bishop had some serious pop. He didn't have a lot of speed to turn into power but he could uncoil and generate a ton of power out of his hips for a killshot--a great quality as he didn't need a running start to bring the wood. I suspect a lot of fans' first memory of Bishop was in the 2007 preseason game against Jacksonville where a guy made a catch over the middle Bishop unloaded on him and leveled him while flatfooted. It looked like he was dead. There is no sugar-coating the loss of Bishop, he was tremendously productive when he was on the field.

Doesn't stop me from being intrigued by the possibilities of Jones. He's a very interesting playing in that he was a DE in college, moved to 3-4 OLB in the pros, and now MLB yet his biggest strength is his coverage skill. Plus he's a black guy named Brad. What an enigma. He's got all the tools, you'd just like to see him get his hands on the ball a little more. Remember when he broke Favre's foot and cause an int on the same hit? Guy should be in the Packer hall just for that play.

Someone drink the koolaid with me. Let's start a Brad Jonestown massacre.

He was born in Michigan, moved to Colorado, and now plays for the Packers. Pretty much the same path I took. Except I only chat about the Packers. I'm in.

[denverYooper]

From the "Brad Jones is better than you think department", with 10 starts:
77 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 passes defensed, 1 FF

[Smidgeon]

3irty had a classic post.........calling Bishop a future Raven. I must admit, when I think of Bishop he is th classic Raven. Tough Guy/Hard Ass...Potential to make huge plays while also giving up some...not overly steady....but he wants to frickin Crack people.....aka...Wayne Simmons'
'

Take Clay away....and our prototype Packer defender seems to be very average...steady..finesse.....who on our D scares people ? Nobody.

I still have hope for McMillian
Also, I'd like to make the announcement that I'm jumping on the Datone Jones bandwagon. I know it's premature as I haven't seen him play at all, but I'm going to go out on a limb and join the fan club. He could do some damage too.