Packers To Part Ways With Bishop?

[red]

I don't necessarily have a problem with releasing Bishop; but overpaying Jones, not drafting any ILB'er help, not signing (of course) any ILB'er help, and releasing Bishop... all of that combined is just mind-numbing.

gotta agree. seems like we knew at draft time that dj smith and bishop were both gonna be gone

we needed to address the position. overspending on jones, IMO, was not the answer

its just another of those TT moves that makes absolutely no sense at the time they happen. lets hope it works out like most of the others and turns out to be the right move

now, we've already dumped about 10 players this year with lots of talent. what the fuck is it gonna take to get rid of bush?

[woodbuck27]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/57224/money-desmond-bishop-and-nfc-north

Money, Desmond Bishop and NFC North

June, 17, 2013 4:15 PM ET By Kevin Seifert | ESPN.com

" Nor would it be a stunner if the Vikings pursue Bishop via free agency, as Wes Hodkiewicz reported. Of course, the Vikings are an easy target for an agent hoping to drum up support for an inside linebacker. Their starter at middle linebacker at the moment is Erin Henderson, who has played on the outside for his entire career, and that move surfaced only after the Vikings failed to find a new starter in the draft.

Bishop would be making the mild conversion from a 3-4 inside linebacker to a 4-3 middle linebacker, but that shift isn't as dramatic as the one Henderson is attempting. The Vikings open their mandatory minicamp Tuesday, and let's just say the welcome mat from Green Bay to Minnesota is well-worn.

While we're at it, let's not totally rule out the possibility of the Chicago Bears -- who aren't exactly set at middle linebacker themselves after the retirement of Brian Urlacher -- at least kicking Bishop's tires. Stay tuned." Fr. LINK above

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[Smeefers]

gotta agree. seems like we knew at draft time that dj smith and bishop were both gonna be gone

we needed to address the position. overspending on jones, IMO, was not the answer

its just another of those TT moves that makes absolutely no sense at the time they happen. lets hope it works out like most of the others and turns out to be the right move

now, we've already dumped about 10 players this year with lots of talent. what the fuck is it gonna take to get rid of bush?

I thought we went over this years ago, Bush has some pictures of MM and TT making out in Favres old locker. The dude's never getting out of here.

I'm not terrified of Hawk/Jones. I just don't know who we have waiting in the wings behind them. As far as I can tell, that Manning kid might have some juice... and that's about it. Our entire LB core is not very deep. I like Perry and Mathews... but good god, who's behind them on the depth chart? I couldn't name them without looking them up.

[Bretsky]

gotta agree. seems like we knew at draft time that dj smith and bishop were both gonna be gone

we needed to address the position. overspending on jones, IMO, was not the answer

its just another of those TT moves that makes absolutely no sense at the time they happen. lets hope it works out like most of the others and turns out to be the right move

now, we've already dumped about 10 players this year with lots of talent. what the fuck is it gonna take to get rid of bush?

Agree with Wist and Red; at starters now we may be stuck with JustaguyJones and I am what I am in AJ Hawk. Bush not even be our weakest starter, if he started Red. Thankfully there are many in front of him.

[Old School]

If the Packers purged their locker room of an STD, the Vikings would be welcoming it into their locker room the next day.

[packer4life]

Does his release give us any salary benefit this year? Is it being done to afford an important future or near future resigning? These are the questions in my head at the moment.

[Joemailman]

Does his release give us any salary benefit this year? Is it being done to afford an important future or near future resigning? These are the questions in my head at the moment.

Looks like it will save about 2 mil on the cap this year and almost 5 mil next year.

[pbmax]

Does his release give us any salary benefit this year? Is it being done to afford an important future or near future resigning? These are the questions in my head at the moment.

YEAR	BASE		S. BONUS	MISC.		CAP HIT		DEAD
2011	 1,188,000	 800,000	 1,500,000	3,488,000	 -
2012	 3,001,000	 800,000	 500,000	4,301,000	 -
2013	 3,464,000	 800,000	 500,000	4,764,000	 1,800,000
2014	 3,522,000	 800,000	 500,000	4,822,000	 800,000

The rules on salary cap acceleration changed so that I think the team can designate a player's contract as post June 1st at almost any time.

So if they do that, the hits are $1.0 mil in 2013 and $800,000 in 2014.

Cap savings in 2013 would be approx $3.7 mil. 2014 would be $4 mil. If they accelerate it all in 2013, savings are $2.9 mil and $4.8 mil in 2014.

[packer4life]

YEAR	BASE		S. BONUS	MISC.		CAP HIT		DEAD
2011	 1,188,000	 800,000	 1,500,000	3,488,000	 -
2012	 3,001,000	 800,000	 500,000	4,301,000	 -
2013	 3,464,000	 800,000	 500,000	4,764,000	 1,800,000
2014	 3,522,000	 800,000	 500,000	4,822,000	 800,000

The rules on salary cap acceleration changed so that I think the team can designate a player's contract as post June 1st at almost any time.

So if they do that, the hits are $1.0 mil in 2013 and $800,000 in 2014.

Cap savings in 2013 would be approx $3.7 mil. 2014 would be $4 mil. If they accelerate it all in 2013, savings are $2.9 mil and $4.8 mil in 2014.

Looks like we are trimming the fat.

[Joemailman]

Looks like we are trimming the fat.

Jones, Finley, Raji, Pickett and Burnett all set to be FA in 2014. Can't be paying 4-5 million for a backup ILB.

[mraynrand]

what the fuck is it gonna take to get rid of bush?

someone will have to play better than him on teams, and provide some value on the depth chart.

[3irty1]

I'm not sure if this move is about Jones or if its about Bishop.

Bishop hasn't done football in a year now. Maybe I'm in denial but it's hard for me to believe the Packers are just too impatient to deal with Bishop. Its at least clear that Bishop is drastically underselling his injury. I think if he were truly 100% it seems like a trade could get done. I expect him to become a Raven.

Jones got his 4M for the same reason Ellerbe got his 7M. Guy just had a really good year of being pressed into service but its not like he's a $7M splashy playmaker either, but he's got wheels and is fluid in coverage. Ellerbe is a lot more proven, especially as a blitzer... but these guys are the same in what they are getting paid for: they are money on 3rd downs and serviceable the rest of the time. A year from now we could be thankful that Jones only got 10 games at MLB before resigning. He's a big upgrade in speed for the middle of the field and makes for some different possibilities. I won't blame Capers for not wanting to go back to having seams covered by Hawk, Bishop, Walden, Woodson, and Peprah. All that slow makes it tough to cover the field. Let's see how they use Jones before we call him overpaid.

[Rutnstrut]

Jones is waaay over paid, releasing Bishop was a mistake, Bishop at 70% is better than Jones at 110%. For every awesome move TT makes there's ones like this that hurt this team and move it backwards.

[3irty1]

Jones is waaay over paid, releasing Bishop was a mistake, Bishop at 70% is better than Jones at 110%. For every awesome move TT makes there's ones like this that hurt this team and move it backwards.

Issue is that if Bishop's legs are at 70% then the rest of Bishop is at 30%. Guy does not have a step to lose at all.

[Rutnstrut]

Issue is that if Bishop's legs are at 70% then the rest of Bishop is at 30%. Guy does not have a step to lose at all.

True enough, but Jones is NOT the answer.