Packers To Part Ways With Bishop?

[Rastak]

Only when there are replacement refs, dear.

The real issue with that play was the pushoff, which reg refs usually ignore also. The problem is when it's that obvious, you HAVE TO CALL IT. When I saw it live I thought immediately "that's a jump ball, goes to the offense". When I saw the pushoff, even worse than Drew Pearson on Nate Wright I said..."oh". Should have been flagged.

[Guiness]

The real issue with that play was the pushoff, which reg refs usually ignore also. The problem is when it's that obvious, you HAVE TO CALL IT. When I saw it live I thought immediately "that's a jump ball, goes to the offense". When I saw the pushoff, even worse than Drew Pearson on Nate Wright I said..."oh". Should have been flagged.

The push off was indeed bad enough to be called, even in the end zone on an 'out of time' play. It wasn't like it happened slick and quick, it was an old fashioned shove, the same one you used to push a buddy off a dock into an ice cold lake Superior in the spring!

But - OPI aside - I really don't know how anyone could see Jennings come down with the ball, Golden reaching out trying to touch it and decide that the later had control of the ball to the ground.

[woodbuck27]

I am actually surprised the deal is that low. I am almost as curious about what happens to him next, to see what kind of deal he can play himself into if healthy this year.

But the Packers release does seem less surprising at this number.

It seems evident now to me that the Packers flat out didn't feel a need for Desmond Bishop.

That Desmond Bishop in Minny is simply 'a whatever' reaction to TT, MM and Dom Capers.

As far as Minny signing him and at that cost ($1.5 million$). That looks like a pretty solid move for the Vikings.

I'll not claim that they ever catch up to us...Ponder Vs Rodgers; but with the two acquisitions (alone) from the Green Bay Packers this off season (Greg Jennings and now Desmond Bishop). The Minnesota Vikings certainly seem to have upgraded over last season.

Overall...the NFL analysts will claim that the Minnesota Vikings have had a very solid off season.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

Here's a pretty decent or comprehensive analysis and report of the Minny move to acquire Desmond Bishop by of all sites ... BR:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1683249-what-does-desmond-bishop-bring-to-the-Vikings

I'm thinking that with all the need of CAP space that TT has and the surplus at inside LBer; and added to that news such as this that Desmond Bishop became easily expendable:

" A June 2013 study from the American Journal of Orthopedics looked at 10 confirmed cases of ruptured hamstrings in the NFL from 1990 to 2008.

While nine of the 10 players in the study returned to play the next season, only five of the 10 played more than one game following the injury.

In addition, two of the 10 players returned and had major injuries occur to the same leg. One suffered a torn Achilles tendon and another re-ruptured the same hamstring (the player was a linebacker). On this note, it is worth noting that Bishop has already been dealing with a strain in the same hamstring he injured in August." Fr. LINK above

Please click on LINK for the entire story which wraps up thus:


" A starting trio of Bishop, Greenway and Henderson is not shabby at all.

If it doesn't, and the hamstring becomes an issue again, then the Vikings have made only a minimal investment (and possibly none at all, since we don't know how much of Bishop's deal is guaranteed).

The possibility of a huge reward with little risk?

Sounds like a shrewd signing to me." Fr. LINK above




GO PACKERS !

[Bretsky]

Only when there are replacement refs, dear.

Perhaps you've already blacked it out of your memory...but Hakeeem Nicks may ring a bell w/o the replacement refs

[hoosier]

Rather than putting the homershadee spin on it, the point remains that Biship was our best ILB two years ago...and the Vikes signed him for so cheap they have little risk

This was a Hoody Genius like move

And how have those been working out lately?

[hoosier]

The push off was indeed bad enough to be called, even in the end zone on an 'out of time' play. It wasn't like it happened slick and quick, it was an old fashioned shove, the same one you used to push a buddy off a dock into an ice cold lake Superior in the spring!

But - OPI aside - I really don't know how anyone could see Jennings come down with the ball, Golden reaching out trying to touch it and decide that the later had control of the ball to the ground.

Exactly right. The only way you can arrive at "simultaneous possession" on that play is if you ignore everything leading up to the two players lying on the ground.

[Pugger]

Exactly right. The only way you can arrive at "simultaneous possession" on that play is if you ignore everything leading up to the two players lying on the ground.

And having the WR under the DB once they are on the ground.

[Teamcheez1]

Bishop gets $840K (the minimum for a 7th year player) plus incentives that could push him to $1.35M. The conjecture is that other teams were offering even less at simply the vet minimum ($550k).

Doesn't sound like people are all that sold on him. Obviously, MN can cut him without any real salary cap hit, so their risk is limited.

[pbmax]

Rather than putting the homershadee spin on it, the point remains that Biship was our best ILB two years ago...and the Vikes signed him for so cheap they have little risk

This was a Hoody Genius like move

Has anyone noticed Genius' approach is neither consistent nor working as planned, currently?

Bishop was the best LB on a truly horrible defense and he doesn't have the skills to wash off the impression that he is not a difference maker. He stood out on this defense with his hitting but that is not enough.

I am not sure we have better to replace him yet on 1st and 2nd down, but his new contract puts him in the market of replaceable.

[pbmax]

Exactly right. The only way you can arrive at "simultaneous possession" on that play is if you ignore everything leading up to the two players lying on the ground.

Only Driver, Dr. J and a couple of Hall of Fame receivers get to call one hand on the ball possession.

[3irty1]

Has anyone noticed Genius' approach is neither consistent nor working as planned, currently?

Bishop was the best LB on a truly horrible defense and he doesn't have the skills to wash off the impression that he is not a difference maker. He stood out on this defense with his hitting but that is not enough.

I am not sure we have better to replace him yet on 1st and 2nd down, but his new contract puts him in the market of replaceable.

I can't agree with that. Bishops body of work with the Packers was fantastic and the only reason he's still worth the effort to pick up the phone when his agent calls. In a 30 front he had enough speed to make it work and what he brought to the D was well worth his minor limitations in coverage. While there was certain stuff on defense that you just couldn't do with him, he was always good enough in coverage to make the routine plays even if he had to do it dramatically. This new contract is because he is extremely unlikely to ever play football again, and even if he does he's extremely unlikely to be effective or play for very long. The odds are stacked high against him based on history.

[Smidgeon]

Bishop gets $840K (the minimum for a 7th year player) plus incentives that could push him to $1.35M. The conjecture is that other teams were offering even less at simply the vet minimum ($550k).

Doesn't sound like people are all that sold on him. Obviously, MN can cut him without any real salary cap hit, so their risk is limited.

The other teams were offereing the vet minimum of $840k. But due to NFL rules regarding vet minimums, it'd only count against their cap as $550k.

[Upnorth]

Has anyone noticed Genius' approach is neither consistent nor working as planned, currently?

Bishop was the best LB on a truly horrible defense and he doesn't have the skills to wash off the impression that he is not a difference maker. He stood out on this defense with his hitting but that is not enough.

I am not sure we have better to replace him yet on 1st and 2nd down, but his new contract puts him in the market of replaceable.

When Francois had his one and only good game (one pass block and one int I remember but could be way off) wasn't he coming in to replace an injured Bishop and a lot of people at the time were glad Bishop was out?

Much like PB, or at least my take on what PB is saying, I think Bishop was never special in a group that is far from special.

[3irty1]

When Francois had his one and only good game (one pass block and one int I remember but could be way off) wasn't he coming in to replace an injured Bishop and a lot of people at the time were glad Bishop was out?

Much like PB, or at least my take on what PB is saying, I think Bishop was never special in a group that is far from special.

I think he was replacing Hawk in that game. Not with much certainty though.