Datone Jones, Best Rookie Pass Rusher?

[wist43]

I'd love to hear 8 hours on the Capers' 3-man-rush hail mary prevent defense. I hear it is quite effective...

Or better yet, end of the half, 3rd and 8ish, deep in their own territory, rookie QB, run heavy team... what does Mr. Spraypainted Hair do?? He puts 1 DL on the field. Run to the right, gain of 11, 1st down, run the half out... doh

[Upnorth]

If he is the best rookie pass rusher, and if Perry and Neal stay healthy, I think wist will have less ability to complain because no matter the scheme talent will preform. Saftey and ILB will be our only concerns, Jones is better than Walden, so all in all i would 'buy' the packers d this year.

[Freak Out]

So Lombardi was really an offensive-minded guy? I did not know that. I knew he was a Giants' assistant, and I think I read he wanted to bring a fellow assistant with him to GB - some guy named Landry - but I'd assumed for some reason that Lombardi was a defensive coordinator.

Oops.

So I wonder why Bengston flopped so badly as a head coach. Just a better assistant? Lack of talent? That was, after all, an aging team that Lombardi had not done a good job of replenishing.

Ever hear of the Lombardi sweep?

[Bretsky]

For the record Bretsky loved the Datone Jones Pick (since Eric Reed was snatched by San Fran)

Odds are that might not be a great thing; the last first round pick I really loved was AJ Hawk

[pittstang5]

I liked the Datone Jones pick. He was, in my opinion, the best player available for a postion that we really needed to improve on.

But....He's a rookie and he plays a position that is notorious for players to take a year or two to settle into. I'm not expecting much.

[bobblehead]

Chuck Smith, who runs a camp to prepare players for the NFL thinks Jones' pass rushing skills have been shortchanged. He thinks he has a natural feel for it.

NFP says that conventional scout (PackerRats) wisdom is that Jones will replace Wilson and is viewed by NFL team scouts as a run stopper at DE. Smith thinks that is selling him short.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-9247.html

Funny because I always viewed Datone as a pass rush/all around player. He is very sudden. Granted, my opinions are based only on video highlights since the draft, but if we drafted him to replace wilson, that was dumb. Wilson is excellent vs. the rush.

[Fritz]

Ever hear of the Lombardi sweep?

Someone should name a vacuum cleaner that.

Of course I have. But I thought he developed that after he got to G B, and focused mostly on defense. Obviously I was wrong.

[Freak Out]

Someone should name a vacuum cleaner that.

Of course I have. But I thought he developed that after he got to G B, and focused mostly on defense. Obviously I was wrong.

I can't believe that was never marketed.....at least in Wisconsin!

I couldn't miss an opportunity to bust your balls Fritz.....I remember reading about Vince's passion for the offense many many years ago when I first started buying books as a kid. Those days are just a bit foggy now and I can honestly say I never paid much attention as to whether he was more offense minded or defensive minded.

[Fritz]

I can't believe that was never marketed.....at least in Wisconsin!

I couldn't miss an opportunity to bust your balls Fritz.....I remember reading about Vince's passion for the offense many many years ago when I first started buying books as a kid. Those days are just a bit foggy now and I can honestly say I never paid much attention as to whether he was more offense minded or defensive minded.

Consider them busted!

[swede]

Ow!

I always thought Vince was an offensive genius and a GM with a great eye for defensive talent. On the sideline he yelled stuff like, "Somebody get that guy!" so it would not surprise me that he might have needed a little help on the defensive side of the ball.

Ow!

[Fritz]

Ow!

I always thought Vince was an offensive genius and a GM with a great eye for defensive talent. On the sideline he yelled stuff like, "Somebody get that guy!" so it would not surprise me that he might have needed a little help on the defensive side of the ball.

Ow!

Not to tarnish St. Vince - much - but has anyone ever really tracked his drafting success/lack of after Vanisi croaked and Lombardi had full control?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Regardless of how he put it on the sideline, Lombardi wouldn't tolerate poor tackling. Consider this quote from Dave Robinson:

"Today, so many guys try to hit you with a forearm and knock you down," Robinson said. "When they try to do that at the 20-yard line, sometimes the guy stays on his feet and goes 20 yards for a touchdown. When I played, when you made contact with a guy on the 20-yard line, if he got to the 18, you'd be sitting on the bench right next to Vince Lombardi."

From: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...215007681.html

Arguably, Robinson was the MVP of the Packer defense in the Glory Years. Because of his range, tackling ability and ability to defend the pass, guys like Herb Adderley to play with reckless abandon and enter the Hall of Fame prior to him.

I agree 100% with Robinson's assessment. The Packers should hire him as a defensive coach specializing in tackling technique.

[Fritz]

I don't know if it's technique or the culture of the NFL.

[pbmax]

I don't know if it's technique or the culture of the NFL.

Its television highlights, NFL Films and Chuck Cecil.

[Maxie the Taxi]

You're right, pb. But I think it all began with Fred "The Hammer" Williamson. He was a less than average player who made a name for himself and a movie career out of boasting how he'd lay "The Hammer" on Green Bay's receivers in the Super Bowl. Needless to say, Green Bay's receivers smoked him. His boasts were all self-generated hype ala "The Boz."