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I'd guess that's about par for all positions. Drafting talent is no sure bet.
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One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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Were you forgetting Newhouse, or was that intentional? Pretty sure he was a D5 from 2010.2010 Was Bulaga and Wilson (some would argue for Neal)
If you're batting .500 on your draft picks you're doing pretty good. Jury's out on Bahktiari and Tretter, but I'm hoping they pan out. Same thing on DL with Jones and Boyd.
Depending on how you look at it, it's either a scary sign of the depth on the roster or a credit to the scouting/personnel dept. that they can find guys like EDS and Barclay (among others).Comment
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Originally posted by run pMc View Post
My bad, especially as I was a big Newhouse schill his first year and a half. now the count is 22 and 11 which is quite good.
Anyone else spot one of my mistakes?
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I always get confused by these types of "hit/miss" evaluations, because it is never all that clear.Originally posted by Upnorth View Post My bad, especially as I was a big Newhouse schill his first year and a half. now the count is 22 and 11 which is quite good.
Anyone else spot one of my mistakes?
Apparently you classify Montgomery in 2005 as a "miss"? Yet he was on the roster for 5 years, and played in 56 games. They even brought him back for a few games in his sixth year (2010). A sixth round draft pick who fills a roster spot for 5 years is a pretty decent return on the investment,
Similarly with Spitz. 5 years on the Packers, 41 starts in his first 3 years. Career seemed on a higher trajectory than Colledge's, until he injured his back after moving to center full time in his abbreviated 4th season. I have a hard time saying that TT missed on that pick, even though it didn't turn out as a long term answer.Comment
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lol, you have to know you're asking to be picked apart doing player evaluations!Originally posted by Patler View Post
My quibble would be saying this guy
is a miss and Barbre is a maybe?
Plus, it's a good excuse to post one of the all-time best bio photos.
Oh ya, the dude plays some soccer too
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If I remember correctly, those NFL.com projections get stale. They get written up right after the college season or around the scouting combine, but players often move up in the rankings after the combine. Sherrod was generally projected to be a high 2nd round pick with some having him sneak into the first round.Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View PostLast edited by HarveyWallbangers; 07-23-2013, 08:00 PM."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Funny thing is, considering the roster condition at the time, it can be argued that Whitticker was a good pick, too. No, he wasn't a long term answer, and when they went with MM's new scheme he really was a fish out of water, but for one year he was good enough to start when others were not good enough. That year, he improved their roster. A year's worth of starts from a throw-away 7th round pick? Not bad. He gave the team a lot more plays than most 7th rounders ever do.Originally posted by Guiness View PostComment
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1st round:
2nd round:
1st-2nd round:
USA Today (2 guys had him going 22nd in 1st round, 2 guys had him going 29th in 1st round, 2 guys had him out of the 1st round):
He definitely had a last 1st to early 2nd round consensus projection.What say the national experts? I pulled the latest mock drafts from 10 popular analysts, including seven from the NFL Network and NFL.com. ESPN’s Mel Kiper and Todd McShay and the pool votes from The National Football Post complete the picks.
Seven of the 10 analysts believe Sherrod will be picked in the first round tonight."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Anyone but Patler spot one of my mistakes...Originally posted by Patler View Post
Seriously I remember nothing but complaints over Spitz so maybe I am not being fair to him, but I did not think of him as a solution. As to Montgomery that is a great return on a 6th round pick.
I have trouble with the good pick bad pick analysis as well. Where does Neal fit in for example? He has been here for 3 years, last year finally seeing the field and getting 4.5 sacks for it. Is that a good pick or bad pick for th esecond round?
All in all I put about 10 minutes into a question I had, which was does TT suck at drafting along the lines. My answer which was no he does not, in fact he is pretty good at it still stands. Where your opinion and my opinions may differ on specific players, I still think TT is doing better than I previously gave credit for.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
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I agree that i over looked certain players, and may even have missed copy/pasting some others like with Newhouse, but I do have to agree that is the best player bio pic!Originally posted by Guiness View Postlol, you have to know you're asking to be picked apart doing player evaluations!
My quibble would be saying this guy
is a miss and Barbre is a maybe?
Plus, it's a good excuse to post one of the all-time best bio photos.
Oh ya, the dude plays some soccer too
All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George OrwellComment
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I think Starks is as good as gone. I think Williams is battling Bostick for the pass catching backup. I think Taylor is fighting Mulligan for the blocking backup. If healthy, Finley and Quarless are locks. Not sure about Kuhn. Depends on how some of the young guys do, but I think they like his versatility. If I had to predict, I say he sticks. With Sherrod I think it all comes down to his health, and I'm not sure anybody knows where he's at.Originally posted by Patler View Post
I think Daniels makes it and Francois gets cut. Wouldn't be shocked by Tramon. Those are some bold predictions though. I might be biased, but I think the coaching staff is high on Lattimore's potential. It all depends on if he keeps improving. A lot of guys kind of plateau at this point in their career.
The undrafted Lattimore (6-2, 237) couldn’t get big enough to hold up at outside linebacker in ‘11 so last year moved to inside linebacker, which is looking like his best position. He’s caught the coaching staff’s attention as a core special teams player for two years and in fact last season was named the Packers’ special teams captain in the playoffs. His length and athleticism make him an attractive developmental inside linebacker.
“His upside, his potential,” Moss said, “when you get a guy that has his height and his linear body makeup, he’s ideal to play against those teams that have those very effective tight ends that look like basketball players.
“You love the players that have the Brandon Chillar type of body, the Brad Jones type of body. Absolutely. Jamari’s proved he’s a very effective special teams player. I’m glad to have a chance to work with him, because when we give him that opportunity, he could be something.”"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Interesting article on the Oline, alot has been discussed, http://gnb.scout.com/2/1309562.html
My favorite part was
C Evan Dietrich-Smith (6-2, 308; fourth season): He wasn’t perfect, but Dietrich-Smith played so well at center in his four starts that the Packers didn’t touch a deep draft class. He allowed just one pressure in 89 pass-protecting snaps.
One in 89 is a good number. I dont remember the inside improving greatly with EDS, but I will take that protection.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George OrwellComment
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LOL, very true. That said, I appreciate the time/effort in putting the list together and having an opinion. I agree that TT is a very good at drafting talent, and frankly am more inclined to give him the credit than the coaching staff...but that's due to my occasional frustrations/biases against Campen, Slocum, et al.lol, you have to know you're asking to be picked apart doing player evaluations!
It would be interesting to come up with some sort of criteria to determine a great pick, good pick, bad pick, or bust...presumably the round the player was drafted as well as games played, games started, and production play into that. That's may prove a subjective exercise, but I think the results would still show that TT rivals Ron Wolf in draft acumen. It's fair to argue TT > Wolf in the draft, but Wolf destroys him in FA.Comment
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maybe, but I think the game has changed so that Wolf had advantages TT doesn't. When Wolf was running the show, the sal cap was new and teams didn't know how to handle it very well. I think Wolf took advantage of that - and good that he did."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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A GBPG article on special teams today stated that Bush, Lattimore, and Francois were the top three special teams players on the team last year, so those three might have a little more job security than most realize."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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