WHO HAS THE 2nd HIGHEST TRADE VALUE IN THE NFL ???????????

[Patler]

I wish they'd had lists like this back in the early 70's, so Dan Devine wouldn't have given away the entire decade in exchange for a 36 year old John Hadl. And I think he gave up a couple of second rounders for another QB the year before - Jerry Tagge or something?

He traded for Jim DelGazo from the Dolphins.
Tagge was a Packer 1st round draft pick

[Carolina_Packer]

Carolina, good comments. You're right. It hurts to remember. Starr was a good guy. Still is, but he was out of his element. Defense stunk. Wasn't that the year Green Bay and Washington hooked up on a Monday night to set all time scoring record? Something like 50 points scored by both teams. Very exciting with Lynn Dickey and company, but frustrating not being able to stop anything.

It was 1983 on a Monday night. I was a senior in high school. If Green Bay had any kind of a defense, who knows what they could have done on the heels of winning a playoff game in strike-shortened 1982, but it was to be Starr's undoing and after 9 season ('83) being the last, he was let go in favor of Forrest Gregg, who while he had coached a Super Bowl team, perhaps it would have been prudent to go outside the Lombardi coaching bloodlines after Starr was done.

http://espn.go.com/abcsports/mnf/s/gbwashclassic.html

[King Friday]

Luck. It isn't even a question for me.

He's a pocket QB with elite potential who will be in this league for 15 more years. Wilson/RGIII/CK are guys who run a lot and have a shorter shelf life. When their athletic ability goes into decline and injury risk increases after age 30, their production could go into decline as they try to transition to a pure pocket passer.

[pbmax]

Wasn't the scouting staff trying to move Starr off of Campbell right up until the draft? I seem to recall they desperately wanted someone else.

[Bretsky]

Wasn't the scouting staff trying to move Starr off of Campbell right up until the draft? I seem to recall they desperately wanted someone else.

I had heard the sct dept wanted Ronnie Lott

[Patler]

I had heard the sct dept wanted Ronnie Lott

At least that is the way they all remember it now!

[red]

At least that is the way they all remember it now!

just like we all know that lindy infante was the only person in the organization that wanted mandarich

[Carolina_Packer]

just like we all know that lindy infante was the only person in the organization that wanted mandarich

Imagine if they had drafted Barry Sanders instead, but still sucked enough from 1989-1991 to still get Wolf, Holmgren, Favre, Reggie, etc. With Favre and Sanders, it boggles the mind how good that offense could have been. Mandarich! Ugh. I hate PED's.

[Guiness]

The thing with Watt, Wilson, Kapernick, RGIII and the like is that they are cheap only for the next few seasons, then who knows? To some extent, they are also unproven because careers do sometimes burn brightly for a short time, then flame out.

So true. See Merriman, Shawn.

Stafford might be one to consider. He has shown a lot of promise, is young, but has a long, manageable contract.

I don't know if I consider that contract manageable. The way I read it, Detroit (and next, the Rams) are hamstrung by these legacy rookie contracts. No way either of those guys pulls down a $20M number if it wasn't with the rookie deal hanging over the team's head. The Dolphins got out of the Jake Long one, but it was easier for them because he wasn't a franchise QB.

[Guiness]

RESULTS after AROD

2. Russell Wilson
3. Andrew Luck
4. JJ Watt
5. RG3

Not sure I understand or agree with the order of the QBs. The only reason I can come up with Wilson being on top is that his contract is for $3M while the other 2 are > $20M for four years. I think counterbalancing that is the team option for a 5th year with the first rounders. Luck abov RG3 due to the knee injury?

[cheesner]

Wasn't the scouting staff trying to move Starr off of Campbell right up until the draft? I seem to recall they desperately wanted someone else.

Worst pick in NFL history. Mandarich was a bigger bust, but Campbell was plain stupid. OC Bratkowski said in a quote at the time, 'I walked to the field on the first day of practice and saw his throwing motion and my heart sank. I knew he would never be an NFL quarterback.'

Soooooo, the first time the OC sees Rich Campbell throw the ball is the first day of practice? WTH?


Bruce Clark was nearly as stupid. To the young uns, Bruce said he would not play for the Packers. We drafted him anyway and he went to Canada to play for a year. Never played a down for us but was 4th overall pick.


For us, JJ Watt would be the best player to trade for. Andy Luck is the overall biggest trade value. You can't place too high of importance on the QB Position. As far as RG3 and Russell go - like them both but fear their ability to maintain for the long haul.

[Pugger]

Carolina, good comments. You're right. It hurts to remember. Starr was a good guy. Still is, but he was out of his element. Defense stunk. Wasn't that the year Green Bay and Washington hooked up on a Monday night to set all time scoring record? Something like 50 points scored by both teams. Very exciting with Lynn Dickey and company, but frustrating not being able to stop anything.

It was absolutely foolhardy for us to hire Starr to be both HC and GM. He was woefully unprepared for this job and they kept him for 9 freaking years! Hiring Gregg wasn't much of an improvement. Things didn't start to change until we separated the HC and GM jobs and got the OC to keep their noses out of football operations.

[Smeefers]

Okay okay, I think I smell what the rock is cookin. It's value by price. In that case, I have no frickin clue.

[Bossman641]

I don't know if I consider that contract manageable. The way I read it, Detroit (and next, the Rams) are hamstrung by these legacy rookie contracts. No way either of those guys pulls down a $20M number if it wasn't with the rookie deal hanging over the team's head. The Dolphins got out of the Jake Long one, but it was easier for them because he wasn't a franchise QB.

Spot on. The Lions are really hamstrung by the Stafford/Megatron/Suh deals going forward. Stafford's cap hits in 2015/16/17 are 17.7M, 22.5M, and 22M. Megatron's are 20.6, 24.1, 21.4. Suh's deal runs out after the 2014 year and they will have to either release/resign him prior to that as his number is 21.4 in 2014. They are basically in a position where they will have to re-do the deals every few years just to provide some relief.

As big as Rodgers numbers are, they are consistent year to year and not in a situation where we will have to re-do the deal prior to it expiring.

[pbmax]

One thing I read about Wilson argues for optimism. He truly split reps for most of camp with 3 guys. And while Seneca Wallace was probably never a threat to start, Flynn continued to get reps all though camp. Wilson did not produce full bore in that offense until midway through the season.