What we saw last night

[wist43]

It may have been a preseason game - but what we saw last night was simply a continuation of what we saw against power teams last year.

Our OL getting pushed around, MM calling his 3 running plays; Capers playing as small and soft as possible - giving up explosive plays all over the place...

Given the schemes we run, and the philosophies of the team - we are pretty much helpless against power teams. You would think that getting the living hell kicked out of you so many times, in the same way every time, would push you to consider that maybe there is something wrong with your approach, but that seems to have never crossed the minds of the brain trust at 1265.

Capers is a complete disaster... so nothing can be done for the defense until he is fired.

On offense, we might as well pass it every down and put it in Rodgers hands. We're a QB driven team - and need Rodgers to play lights out perfect every game.

The philosophies of this team on both sides of ball are fundamentally flawed. Against other finesse teams we're probably the SB champ every year; but against power teams we're helpless. They push us around and beat us up... and there's nothing we can do about it.

I think we have good enough players to compete, but the passive philosophies of the coaching staff negate the talent.

[mraynrand]

Nelson and Cobb looked terrible. Seattle totally shut down the passing attack in the second half. The season is over.

[wist43]

Nelson and Cobb looked terrible. Seattle totally shut down the passing attack in the second half. The season is over.

That's the typical response of you homers... Rodgers and our passing game are the solution to our running game and pathetic defense.

Our defense would have been awesome last night if only Cobb and Nelson had played, right??

Maybe line Nelson up on the nose, and Rodgers and Cobb at DE??

Wait?? That's waaaaayyyyy tooooo many DL on the field at one time. Maybe just Rodgers at DE??

[Patler]

It may have been a preseason game - but what we saw last night was simply a continuation of what we saw against power teams last year.

Our OL getting pushed around, MM calling his 3 running plays; Capers playing as small and soft as possible - giving up explosive plays all over the place...

Given the schemes we run, and the philosophies of the team - we are pretty much helpless against power teams. You would think that getting the living hell kicked out of you so many times, in the same way every time, would push you to consider that maybe there is something wrong with your approach, but that seems to have never crossed the minds of the brain trust at 1265.

Capers is a complete disaster... so nothing can be done for the defense until he is fired.

On offense, we might as well pass it every down and put it in Rodgers hands. We're a QB driven team - and need Rodgers to play lights out perfect every game.

The philosophies of this team on both sides of ball are fundamentally flawed. Against other finesse teams we're probably the SB champ every year; but against power teams we're helpless. They push us around and beat us up... and there's nothing we can do about it.

I think we have good enough players to compete, but the passive philosophies of the coaching staff negate the talent.

Offensively for the Packers, I agree with you. Not so much for the defense. After the first drive by Seattle, during which the Packers looked kind of bad until they got their backs against the goal line, the Packer defense gave up just 4 first downs in six possessions by Seattle's #1 offense. I'll take a defensive performance like that. They intercepted Wilson twice during that time.

[Tony Oday]

The stats do not fit Wist's narrative...OMG he is a closet liberal!!! Free Trevon!!!

[Patler]

I was more concerned with the offense than the defense last night. The O-line was manhandled. But, I have gotten rather accustomed to seeing that. The only one that I don't remember seeing get tossed around a time or two was Sitton. Maybe he did too, and I just didn't catch it.

Lang seems to be struggling. I wonder if the move hasn't sat well with his game.
EDS makes me wish they had given Finley's money to Wells.
The kids at tackle get "educated" a play or two every drive, it seems.

[Willard]

Early 3rd-and-long defense continues to frustrate, but I am more concerned with the OL than the D at this point. Our C and RG look marginal at best. I can only hope that the Seachick's DL is among the elite because they were pushing the OL around.

[ThunderDan]

That's funny. I came out with a different impression. I felt the exact same way that you felt after the first SEA drive. After that we held them to something like 50 yards for the rest of the 1st half and sacked Wilson multiple times. SEA had 4 first downs the rest of the half and two came on penalties against the Pack.

ARod in his one and only series moved the ball and scored points. I am guessing we could have put up another 7 to 17 points against SEA in the first half if ARod had continued. Also, stated in another thread as soon as ARod was out SEA dropped 8 in the box on almost every play. SEA didn't respect any GB QB after Rodgers.

Loyce Means, a guy going to get cut in the next 7-10 days single-handedly gave SEA 14 points. On the TD run by Michael he took the worst angle I have ever seen and allowed the RB to get to the outside instead of pushing him inside to his help. He also did that on a critical 3rd down minutes before when Wilson hit a crossing route where Hyde had the coverage. Hyde was trailing to make the tackle and would have caused 4th down instead Means again took the wrong angle let the WR get to the outside and "bumped" into Hyde and kept him from making the tackle before the first down.

[mraynrand]

That's the typical response of you homers... Rodgers and our passing game are the solution to our running game and pathetic defense.

Solution, no. Influence, yes, of course. Packers have issues. This is a 10, 11 win team that could be better, but it needs some good breaks to be better. Caper's scheme the end of the world? No, it has vulnerabilities, but they can win with it, if everything else works too - and of course if they get lucky and the rest of the league lays down for them, like in 2010.

[mraynrand]

SEA didn't respect any GB QB after Rodgers.

exactly

[wist43]

Offensively for the Packers, I agree with you. Not so much for the defense. After the first drive by Seattle, during which the Packers looked kind of bad until they got their backs against the goal line, the Packer defense gave up just 4 first downs in six possessions by Seattle's #1 offense. I'll take a defensive performance like that. They intercepted Wilson twice during that time.

The defense was a complete disaster... Seattle self-destructed on their own. Good grief, they had 182 penatly yds for the game!!! That is almost as many total yards as Green Bay had for the game as a team - 201. Sweezey was a one-man penalty machine... he had almost as many penalty yds as we did rushing yds for the game, lol... and he did have more more penalty yards than our RB's had rushing for the game 35 yds vs 32 yds rushing.

32 stinking rushing yds from our RB's?? Is that a familiar stat from last year?? 3.3 yd/avg??

And the INTs?? one was a tipped pass (which happens), and the other was simply a bad pass. I give Nick Perry credit for getting his hands up, and McMillian made a nice diving grab of Wilson's errant throw - but all of the underlying problems that we saw last year, and throughout the game were there from the first snap.

The problem is Capers.

[mraynrand]

Seattle self-destructed on their own. Good grief, they had 182 penatly yds for the game!!! That is almost as many total yards as Green Bay had for the game as a team - 201. Sweezey was a one-man penalty machine... he had almost as many penalty yds as we did rushing yds for the game, lol... and he did have more more penalty yards than our RB's had rushing for the game 35 yds vs 32 yds rushing.

See? See? The rest of the league will tank in our favor! We win!!!

[packer4life]

Yes the sky is falling. Our 3rd string DL was tossing around seattles STARTING OL like it was nothing. Give it a rest Wist, go find a different forum to trumpet your capers hating propaganda.

[swede]

I like the way Wist trumpets caper hating propaganda. He's the Maynard Ferguson of caper hating propaganda.

[hoosier]

I didn't watch much of the game but I did see some positive things, like: (1) Lacy's nice run to the left that was negated by a phantom holding call on Bakhtiari (one of the worst [non]holding calls I've ever seen, btw); (2) Defense applied pressure and made Wilson look pretty average (I didn't see the early problems with getting off the field on 3rd and long, though); (3) While Vince Young wasn't too impressive throwing the ball, he wasn't as bad as Harrell and Coleman and he did show an ability to create, especially in the red zone. I have a feeling Harrell is outta here.