OFFICIAL "Fire Spray Paint Hare!" Thread

[pbmax]

I could see giving Greene a shot at DC for the rest of the year, Hawk is having a great year and is the best tackler on the team. (He needs a new chin strap though). Game after game, and year after year our D comes out flat, uninspired, and can't tackle. I believe it causes injuries too because our guys are getting beat ON instead of delivering the beating. Grrreene would get them fired up!

Greene coaches outside backers. Winston Moss is Hawk's coach.

[Joemailman]

At the end of the season, there will have to be an evaluation on whether MM and TT really believe there is a likelihood that this defense can get better under Capers. If not you make a change. As has been pointed out, Capers' coaching is often a case of diminishing returns. Perhaps he's run his course here.

[pbmax]

our defense allowed a very, very bad offense to score 20 points today. i don't know the exact answer to your question, but i'm thinking something closer to half of that is what we should have allowed

They are averaging 19.2 point per game.

And their offense has been getting better after a horrendous start.

They are talented where the Packers are struggling, versus a good vertical passing team.

[woodbuck27]

Let Capers finish out the year IMO.
15% of blame goes to TT
35% to Capers
50% to the players

I think they still don't have 2 good safeties back there, and the LB situation has been a mess with all the injuries.

The Green Bay Packers Defense has to be built/developed around players with talent and heart.

It's not just all on injuries. That especially the case in terms of any discussion and the play of our DB's (secondary).

It's time for Ted Thompson to get a grip and re-build that secondary into one that has a solid chance defending the pass. Part of that means solid support in terms of a contribution from the DL and LBers. I see that overall our 'D' lacks toughness and grit. It lacks any sense of cohesion.

It has to be perfectly clear now to TT and MM and his coaching staff that the outstanding service of Aaron Rodgers has helped coverup serious issues on the Packer 'D'. It's now time to re-build that 'D' and to come out of any denial to first get there. Otherwise Packer fans can forget any serious conversation and winning another Super Bowl in the Aaron Rodgers era.

If TT and MM don't get serious about change and I mean big change.

The Aaron Rodgers era in Packers history and Super Bowls will be a story of "One and Done".

GO Packers.

[George Cumby]

Agreed that SPH can't be fired mid season, but he has to go; the improvement arc just isn't there.

Most concerning is the D's lack of fire, they just seem to play flat, way too often.

Question: given the current personnel, could we shift to a 4-3?

[woodbuck27]

Agreed that SPH can't be fired mid season, but he has to go; the improvement arc just isn't there.

Most concerning is the D's lack of fire, they just seem to play flat, way too often.

Question: given the current personnel, could we shift to a 4-3?

BJ Raji might be be more content if we went back to a 4-3 base 'D'?

His decision to hold on a reported 8 $million/season offer blows me away. That decision just might blow up in his face. That decision smacks of too much pride.

[Joemailman]

Agreed that SPH can't be fired mid season, but he has to go; the improvement arc just isn't there.

Most concerning is the D's lack of fire, they just seem to play flat, way too often.

Question: given the current personnel, could we shift to a 4-3?

If you contemplate going to a 4-3, you have to decide if doing so would decrease the value of Matthews. He's your best player and is perfect for the 3-4 OLB position. He'd be kind of light at DE, and would he have the same impact as a 4-3 OLB? I think they have the type of D-linemen who could be effective in a 4-3. Not so sure about the LB's.

[George Cumby]

If you contemplate going to a 4-3, you have to decide if doing so would decrease the value of Matthews. He's your best player and is perfect for the 3-4 OLB position. He'd be kind of light at DE, and would he have the same impact as a 4-3 OLB? I think they have the type of D-linemen who could be effective in a 4-3. Not so sure about the LB's.

I was kind of thinking of him as a Lawrence Taylor type. Iirc: those Giants ran a 4-3, no?

[Joemailman]

I was kind of thinking of him as a Lawrence Taylor type. Iirc: those Giants ran a 4-3, no?

No. They played a 3-4. Pepper Johnson and Steve DeOssie were the ILB's. Taylor and Carl Banks were the OLB's. Belichick was the DC. Belichick at NE used Willie McGinest as a OLB/DE as they played more of a hybrid 3-4/4-3.

[woodbuck27]

If you contemplate going to a 4-3, you have to decide if doing so would decrease the value of Matthews. He's your best player and is perfect for the 3-4 OLB position. He'd be kind of light at DE, and would he have the same impact as a 4-3 OLB? I think they have the type of D-linemen who could be effective in a 4-3. Not so sure about the LB's.

Yes an excellent point.

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If you contemplate going to a 4-3, you have to decide if doing so would decrease the value of Matthews. He's your best player and is perfect for the 3-4 OLB position. He'd be kind of light at DE, and would he have the same impact as a 4-3 OLB? I think they have the type of D-linemen who could be effective in a 4-3. Not so sure about the LB's.

IMO, mathews is the one huge sticking point when talking about moving to a 4-3

if you decide that he can't be effective in the 4-3, then you can't switch the entire defense because of it. we've just made too big of an investment in clay, things have to revolve around whats best for him at this poit. there is no trading or cutting him at this point. and you can't be paying the huge sums of money that we are paying him to be an above average 4-3 OLB or DE

[Infamous]

I knew he painted on his hair. I didn't know he was testing it on hares. Fuck him

hilarious

[pbmax]

wist must REALLY be sick.

[George Cumby]

wist must REALLY be sick.

Indeed. It's not like him to not rub our noses in it. Color me concerned.

[denverYooper]

leroy butler @leap36 13m
Just watched the defense film again, it's comes down to players making plays,and tackling , the system works, if run correctly

Ben Fennell @TheXOsOfLife 11m
@leap36 any thoughts on the cohesion of rotating 20 different ppl? System does work..feel like guys cant get comfortable on every down basis